RE Role in developing Trench Warfare 1915 - BBC4 Prog upcoming

#1
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It seems that simply informing people that a program that might contain information they dont already know is somehow offensive to some users of this site

Argue about this instead - today is Friday
 
#2
Well I can assure you if the trenches are of a decent standard, none would have been dug by trainee Plant Ops from the plant park down the hill.
 
#3
It was previously thought troops were largely thrown into battle in World War I with little preparation and training, but the discovery may require historians to rethink that view.

The only people who think that are the uneducated on the subject and BBC journalists who never let the facts get in the way of a sensationalist story. Read Infangtry Training 1914...
 
#4
Its not like this is ancient history. Until recently there have been people alive who the question could be asked of. Excuse me Sir did you have any training in Trench Warfare? Yes. Well thanks that clears that up.
 
#5
It was previously thought troops were largely thrown into battle in World War I with little preparation and training, but the discovery may require historians to rethink that view.

The only people who think that are the uneducated on the subject and BBC journalists who never let the facts get in the way of a sensationalist story. Read Infangtry Training 1914...
As it says "may require historians to rethink"
 
#7
Rethink? No mate, think in the first place.
 
#8
It a program, that all............ it might tell you something you were not aware of

If you dont want to watch it thats fine...........
 
#10
No different from the First day of the Somme stuff. "Why did they send the men in the first wave out burdened with all that kit?"
Maybe because that kit was needed to fortify the positions taken that had been smashed by artillery fire and built to face the opposite way?
 
#12
Do you think the fact that 1914 vintage soldiers carried entrenching tools might be a clue that escaped the BBC?

Wordsmith
Its ok, dont worry, the program is actually about the establishment where trench designs were tested and modified based on operational feedback, but you all know all that already so dont bother
 
#13
As the original link has been removed, I'll put this one in: BBC News - Network of World War I trenches discovered on Hoo Peninsula

I know that ScaleyDave is grumpy but the information given suggests that the content is based on aerial photos. How anyone can claim that the trenches were for research and development, rather than just practice, is beyond me if that's all the information they've got.

As I posted, there are more visible trenches near Rothbury and doubtless many more elsewhere. The sad thing is that there's a gap in the history books telling about the research that presumably went on - or did it, given that trenches weren't a new invention though WW1 France proliferated them.
 

Wordsmith

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#14
There were trenches in the American civil war. And there were certainly trenches during the siege of Port Arthur in the Russo-Japanese war of 1905. So it shouldn't have come as a total surprise to the varying commanders that trench war developed in 1914.

My creaking memory says the trenches developed on an ad-hoc basis as the 'race to the sea' petered out and both sides recognised there was no open flank to exploit. They were also very variable in construction depending on both the soil and the height of the water table - indeed in some places the trenches were built of sandbags above ground level.

Given the extreme variability of trenches, it's difficult to see how research and development would have much impact on their construction. I could see trial trenches being constructed in order to develop information for a manual, but the big differences in the ground and the topology where the trenches were built in France, etc, would surely have prevented much standardisation.

Wordsmith
 
#15
Personally I will wait and see whats in the program BEFORE I slag it off, but thats just a personal foible.....
 
#17
Trenches have been dug by British squaddies since Cain and Abel were bickering in their prams.

The infantry and RE were both conversant with the need and theory in 1914, any shortfalls in equipment were down to a lying, hypocritcal Mancunian, pseudo-Gog Chancellor of the Exchequer called David (Lloyd) George...
 
#18
There were trenches going back to medieval times and especially in the 17th 18th centuries, they were called saps (hence the name sapper) but they developed to an extraordinary level in 1915, from the simplistic trenches of earlier wars into intricate trench systems - the program uses aerial photography to map the remains via crop marks and promises to show how lessons from the end of the mobile phase of ww1 when the BEF and French halted the initial German advance and it settled into the stalemate of the popular view of trench warfare.

Whether it does meet that promise I will have to wait and see.........
 

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