Re: Dress sense


Summer balls were indeed the preserve of Mess Kit and Long Dresses when I first joined the Regiment and over the years you could argue that standards have dropped.  But lets not blame the grown ups too much, after all its usually the Junior Officers who wish the ball could be in Fancy Dress or with a suitable theme.  Some of whom even own suits with no vents!

Black Tie does seem to be the norm in Corps and Junior Regiments these days even if it does make it look like a Round Table or Rotary Club do.  I have to say I prefer White Tie myself to which the ladies should respond by dressing in an appropriate manner. I will soon be the PMC and can enforce these codes by the way.

That said I do like the Young Officers Totty in short, but please only at Mess parties.  
Mess Kit or fancy dress that’s what it should be, none of this dithering around with black tie.

Black tie was introduced because the old and bold could no longer fit into their Mess Kit. If there are complaints about the beauties wearing shorts skirts/dresses, because it is going against the traditions of the mess, fine. Have them wear long dresses but the blokes should therefore be traditionally dressed in MESS KIT. Black tie is not  traditional mess wear (check ur history books) thus totty can go short..

You never know there could be the fear that the young pups could enjoy themselves.

Heaven forbid  

I agree.  The decline in the wearing of Mess Kit is due to Bn/Regt hierachy eating too many pies.  As a consequence the fat Ba****ds can't get in to their Mess Kit.  Young Officers pay a fortune for their Mess Kit and are denied exposure to the pulling power such attire can give you.  Unacceptable.  Come on BHQ/RHQ, get yourselves into the gym so you can get into your Mess Kit.  Let the Young Officers wear Mess Kit, at least they'll bring in more hot chicks for you to perve over.

It has been said that some members of a certain Regt HQ prefer wearing a white Tropical Mess jacket.  Do they realise how effeminate this looks?  Perhaps it runs in the family.
Lets be honest who gives a rats-ass if the Ring Master running the Big Top looks a bit girly as long as the strapping stallions get to cavort around in their highly expensive peacockesk Mess Kit beating the ladies off with a stick. Aah the good ol’ days.


I agree with you young chaps - Mess Kit suddenly appears much more attractive to me.  I think i'll have a new wasteband put in straight away.

But, Mess Kit is the equivalent to White Tie, and therefore ladies should wear long (even the young fillies GS).


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So long as it's suitable for the occasion, who cares if its long or short.  Messes do seem fixated with the perpetuation of Victorian values.


Edwardian actually :p
Cuban (dictatorship) besides it doesn't matter let the fillies get dressed up the longer the dresses the more of the dirty carpets gets covered up back in the room. Woof, woof.
Long or short makes no difference, it doesn't stay on too long if you play your cards right ;)

Black tie has it's place at occaisional mess do's as you don't want to get your mess kit covered in drink/food/vom all the time.

As for WEARING mess kit, well none of us have ever been to uni/OTC balls. nightclubs, weddings, misc nights out in mess kit have we? ever? ???


Great to see this topic has developed some momentum.  Please indulge me with your views on the following:

Suits for Dinner in the mess during the week?

Blazers and flannels for sports teams?

Female officers in trousers!
Mess kit and long dresses get my vote every time.  There is no excuse not to dress up for balls and so many other occasions when we can wear balck tie and cocktail dresses.

Personally, I enjoyed going out to buy long evening gowns to co-ordinate with  my man's mess kit (as the colours of the gowns I already had would have clashed).  That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.


Female officers in trousers, much better than skirts surely?  (for them)


Black Tie for Dinner, Suits for Supper.

Flannels and Blazers for Sports

What female officers? - I couldn't possibly serve in anything but a Combat Arm!

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If girls get away with wearing a T-shirt by putting a jacket over the top in the mess trousers are no problem.

I’ve given up worrying about it now they seem to get away with whatever they want anyway.
The Girlies seem to get away with wearing what they like in all walks of life.  In my last civvie job in the City the blokes all had to wear suits each working day ,winter or summer.  The Girlies got away with t-shirts, sweat shirts, baggy trousers etc.

(Thinking about it, the trousers might not have been baggy but the girl in side them.)
Mess rule 101.5a(ii) stipulates that all girlies with nice legs MUST wear short skirts or be punished by spanking.
Well Mess rule 101.5a(ii) gets my vote.... almost worth the embarrassment of getting a commission, but not quite ;-)
Is there a rule that stipulates they have to be good looking? ::) ::)
If there not, they get spanked in the face. Besides I think its next to the one about passing BPFA. I believe it is optional if you have breasts and wear a uniform.


PMC's please note:

I  have never, ever been in a regiment which allowed Mess Kit to be worn when you could invite a girlfriend.  

This is absolute ARRSE.  How else am I expected to entice a nice girl to travel hundreds of miles to a godforsaken outpost for a dinner except by giving her the thrill of seeing lots of officers in damn smart uniforms.  

If she wanted to go to a black tie do she could go anything from a student party to a Saga dinner.  Uniform is the one distinctive visual edge that we have over any old civvy do.  You will expect to get married in it, so why not court her in it??  

And please, no more bloody fancy dress theme parties except perhaps for the private delight of the young livers in who actually seem to enjoy that sort of thing.  If I wanted to dress as a castaway, a shipwrecked sailor, a viking or a mediaval peasant, I would have joined the Royal Marines who seem to enjoy dressing up inordinately.  No more theme parties also means that less soldiers end up shovelling tons of straw, sand etc out of the mess the next day.  They didn't join for that sort of menial duty.

Field Officers:  you get more than £500 a year uniform upkeep allowance in tax relief - go to a bloody tailor and get your mess kit sorted!

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