RE and Infantry

#1
I was looking through the RE site again and am now certain this is the reg I am going to join next year. One of the things mentioned was that the RE fight alongside the infantry sometimes. How does Phase 1 CMS(R) equip a sapper to fight alongside an infanteer who has completed a more in-depth course (CIC)? Also is anyone able to tell me what actually happens on a CIC that is so different to CMS(R)? I understand that CMS(R) is a more 'all-round' cse designed to turn you from civvy to squaddie but as I have never been on a CIC I have no idea what it entails. (I could just ask on the infantry forum I know but i'm sure it's been done a million times)
 
#2
When you complete training, this doesn't mean you're battle ready. Usually before a tour everyone does optag, cascade training..etc which will involve a more in depth training to your specific role over there and infanteer stuff. And it's usually only field sqns that support the infantry.
 
#3
Just ask 48 Fd Sqn (Air Support) who deployed to Iraq in the infantry role. More than a few Engr sqns have deployed to Ireland as infantry as well. 59's recce troop and 23 Engr Regt recce troop certainly gave a very good account of themselves in the 2003 invasion of Iraq and when they were deployed in Afghanistan.
 
#4
There is an Infantry Skills course, which is tought to some Corps men alongside CIC.

RE fighting alongside Infantry is like Infantry building bridges alongside RE. Any unit in the army can be trained to do any task given the right instructors.

Keep in mind though that fighting is the Infantry's trade skill. It forms almost the entirety of their training. Time RE spend doing RE stuff, Inf spend fixing swords and praying for blood to make the grass grow.

Though I have no doubt that most Sappers can fight when they need to, I wouldn't be supprised to learn that "sometimes" means, "when shit gets really pearshaped".
 
#5
The infighting between knockers and farmers usually maintains our fighting efficiency when asked to step up to the plate and work alongside the infantry.

After surviving a p*ssed off fieldy wielding a pickaxe / a manic armoured farmer wielding a sprocket wrench (delete as applicable) an armed enemy wearing a scarf on his head tends to pale into insignificance...
 
#7
32 and 25 are old friends....as engineers...


Sappers are great for war......research WW2...

PRESENT DAY OF "WAR ON TERROR".......join a corp...get a job ,when you leave....you are qualified........civvy street dont need sappers!!!!

I have a hobby to stir!!!!!!
 
#9
We found in WW2 that the infantry never wanted to change places with the Sappers. As to fighting as infantry? The sappers earned a good reputation.

But sometimes being described as "those bloody sappers" As they had a habit of driving forward on their own. On several occasions being "ordered" to stop, and let the infantry deal.

So it should come as no surprise to learn that the Sappers in the Third British Infantry Div, won more awards that any other regiment or Corps.
Swordman
 
#11
I also believe the Cent AVREs with 165mm dems gun also took out more than a few Iraqi tanks on Op Granby!
 
#13
Sappers and Gunners have always been the first choice to back up the Infantry and they remain so to this day - as evidenced by the number of Infantry Role tours undertaken by RE and RA Units over the past 40-odd years.

Whisper it quietly - this isn't so much because we are intrinsically better / harder than anyone else but because we and the RA are organised and trained in such a way as to make our conversion to Infantry-role peeps reasonably simple.

Even so - the old 'everyone is a trained infantryman' stuff is still b0llocks, even in our case. We are no more infantrymen than assualt pioneers are combat engineers.
 
#15
Axeman said:
plant_life said:
I also believe the Cent AVREs with 165mm dems gun also took out more than a few Iraqi tanks on Op Granby!
The only things cent's took out were themselves.
Well I was on a Cent Avre there, and there was no way we were firing the big boy. Do you know how long one of them takes to clean!!!!
 
#16
I know little about the present day AVREs. To be honest, I know little about anything appertaining to the present day Sapper. Though I don't think their role has changed that much since we were the bright but piratical looking bunch of lads back in 1944.

But one thing I do know. You lucky fellows never had to go to war in the Sherman as an AVRE: no matter what its role.

The Germans called them "Tommy Cookers" because they burst into flames if you looked at them, and then cooked the Tommie's inside!

Our men called them Ronson lighter's best cigarette lighter at that time. Its advertising mantra was:
"Lights First Time Every Time"

When the Sherman lit up and burned, it would be some time before it cooled down sufficiently to get inside. NOT NICE .....The men would still be inside, their bones burned white with the terrific heat and if touched? Would crumble into ashes dust.

Tommy Cookers mates........
Swordman
 

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#18
I can understand the desire to close with the enemy, after all 10 years in the INF! gives you that edge, 5 of those as a Chunkie is good fun and helps understand the other arms but when push comes to shove we all will stand and fight if ordered/run away if not but an Infantryman will understand how cheap his life is to the bean counters on ops!
 
#20
10BA09 said:
Axeman said:
plant_life said:
I also believe the Cent AVREs with 165mm dems gun also took out more than a few Iraqi tanks on Op Granby!
The only things cent's took out were themselves.
Well I was on a Cent Avre there, and there was no way we were firing the big boy. Do you know how long one of them takes to clean!!!!


Yes I do I was on one of 77's AVRE's as a gunner in the Gulf.
 

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