Rape trial for Royal Navy Petty Officer

#3
skintboymike said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/6420903.stm

Apparently the Navy have someone heterosexual on their books, that IS news.

And another thing, why highlight the fact that she was double the drink drive limit? She wasn't going to be doing much driving in the middle of Meditteranean Sea, was she?
That's where the rapist belongs, on the sea bed
 

Bouillabaisse

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#4
The biggest suprise is that he was a Chief Medical Assistant. MA's are, by the customs and traditions of the Service, all as bent as Julian Clairy in a particularly queer mood.
 
#5
skintboymike said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/6420903.stm

Apparently the Navy have someone heterosexual on their books, that IS news.

And another thing, why highlight the fact that she was double the drink drive limit? She wasn't going to be doing much driving in the middle of Meditteranean Sea, was she?
He wasn't a Petty Officer. He was a Chief Petty Officer.

The fact that she was double the drink drive limit is because the Navy take a very dim view of people being drunk onboard ships that are at sea.

I don't condone what happened one bit however one has to consider if this would've have happened if she hadn't been drinking?

The cnut deserved a longer sentence in my opinion anyway...
 
#6
A strange way for the BBC to phrase this comment :

This is believed to be the first time a navy petty officer has faced a trial accused of raping a female colleague
 
#8
skintboymike said:
the_matelot said:
The fact that she was double the drink drive limit is because the Navy take a very dim view of people being drunk onboard ships that are at sea.
Maybe they need a Drink Sailing Limit perhaps?
The Royal Fleet Auxiliary and the Merchant Navy routinely breathalyse bods on board.
 
#13
I was mildly cross that the accuser and ships identity were allowed to remain anonymous, but it was ok for him to have his identity revealed to the whole world.
Sure he is now guilty and is in for a nasty few years - BUT what would have happened if he was found not guilty? His reputation would have still been in tatters and the accuser would have walked away scot free - is it not time for all persons involved in rape cases to be entitled to anonymity until such point as the defendant is found guilty?
 
#14
jim30 said:
I was mildly cross that the accuser and ships identity were allowed to remain anonymous, but it was ok for him to have his identity revealed to the whole world.
Sure he is now guilty and is in for a nasty few years - BUT what would have happened if he was found not guilty? His reputation would have still been in tatters and the accuser would have walked away scot free - is it not time for all persons involved in rape cases to be entitled to anonymity until such point as the defendant is found guilty?
This same question genrally pops up whenever anyone in a high profile position gets accused. I reckon all round anonymity is the only answer.
 
#15
This same question genrally pops up whenever anyone in a high profile position gets accused. I reckon all round anonymity is the only answer.
Agreed. I was invloved with a number of 'rape' cases as a police officer and most of them were totally unfounded lies/bollocks.
 
#16
According to one report she remembered the rape two months later while in therapy.

A Royal Navy senior rating has been found guilty by a court martial panel of raping a drunken 24-year-old female rating on board a warship while at sea in the Mediterranean.

Chief Petty Officer Phillip Coates claimed he had consensual sex with his junior colleague in the incident, which happened between March 8 and 9 last year.

But the trial at HMS Nelson, Portsmouth Naval Base, Hants, heard that the 30-year-old married medical assistant followed his victim into a small room between decks and pulled her trousers and underwear down before raping her on a small bunk.

The trial heard that the victim was left in such a distressed state by the attack that she could only recall "images" and "gut feelings" about the incident.

It was only two months later, after she underwent a controversial psychotherapy technique called Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing (EMDR), that she was able to remember details of the sexual assault.


The court heard that she drank a bottle of rose wine, a vodka and lemonade and two glasses of punch during the barbecue, which was held to mark the end of Flag Officer Sea Training exercises. Coates, who was of previous good character, had come on board the ship to help organise the training.

He told the trial that after the party he had been talking with his victim on the quarterdeck and they began kissing before moving to a small room between decks. It was in this room, which had a small bunk in it, that the attack happened.

The victim, who was described as being in a "happy, bubbly" mood during the evening, was found in the early hours sobbing and in a distressed state. She admitted in a statement that she kissed the defendant but had not consented to sex and added that she found the entire ordeal "repulsive". Coates, who had been married for only eight months at the time, was arrested a few hours later.

The case is the first time a sailor has been prosecuted for the rape of a female colleague since women were allowed to go to sea with the Navy, except on board submarines, in 1990.

The court martial panel led by Commodore Ian Jess took three-and-a-half hours to convict Coates, from Devon, of the single charge. The Judge Advocate General Jeff Blackett warned Coates, who showed no emotion on hearing the verdict, that he faced a lengthy custodial sentence. He released Coates on bail until a sentencing hearing to be heard next Wednesday at 9am.


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/09032007/344/sailor-guilty-woman-s-ship-rape.html
 

Alsacien

MIA
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#17
"Chief Petty Officer Phillip Coates claimed he had consensual sex with his junior colleague in the incident" - should have known better.

"she could only recall "images" and "gut feelings" about the incident." -Sounds a bit flaky.

"It was only two months later, after she underwent a controversial psychotherapy technique called Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing (EMDR), that she was able to remember details of the sexual assault." - Sounds even more flaky.

"The court heard that she drank a bottle of rose wine, a vodka and lemonade and two glasses of punch" - clearly pissed then.

"He told the trial that after the party he had been talking with his victim on the quarterdeck and they began kissing before moving to a small room between decks." - witnessed, hardly a clear red light, did he drag her to a quiet room?

"The victim, who was described as being in a "happy, bubbly" mood during the evening, was found in the early hours sobbing and in a distressed state." - rather normal getting pissed/doing something you regret cycle..

"The case is the first time a sailor has been prosecuted for the rape" - cases which seem to be very difficult to establish the truth in.

"of a female colleague since women were allowed to go to sea with the Navy". - no danger of external image being a factor...much.

If it happened the way he said, he is stupid considering his position and the risk to his career and recent marriage. But this seems a very flaky basis for a conviction. It is also obvious that public image was going to be a factor.
 
#18
No Means No
The fact this bloke has got this doris steaming drunk then nailed her is all very well but after she has sobered up slightly "The victim, who was described as being in a "happy, bubbly" mood during the evening, was found in the early hours sobbing and in a distressed state."
I dont think that was because she couldnt find her g string.
 
#19
sebcoe said:
I think this guy was a scapegoat, we ve all got p!ssed we ve all shagged something we should not have, thats HMF life.

I bet the "vic"is rubbing her hands for compensation.
I take it you attended the CM and heard all the evidence before coming to this well-considered opinion? If your idea of HMF life includes SRs/SNCOs preying on drunken female JRs/ORs, I assume your daughters would be fair game too?
 
#20
None of us condone Rape, however, in their determination to gain a conviction, have standards of evidence been compromised?

Guilt should be determined by evidence, not by politics.
 

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