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Rape trial collapse - double standards?

#1
Student Liam Allan 'betrayed' after rape trial collapse

Just saw this, what I didn't see was the name of the accuser, whether there were plans to prosecute her and condemnations from the likes of Rape Crisis etc over the damage false accusations do to genuine victims. As his name would have been released from the start of the investigation and 'mud sticks' it would seem only correct that the other party "enjoyed" the full force of accountability and publicity after the case was dismissed

I guess where I'm going with this is the old bone of contention "if the 'victim' can be anonymous during the investigation and trial, why not the accused?"
 
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What I'd like to hear is the names of the 'incompetant' coppers preferably after at least one of them's been fired; but that's not going to happen either.
 
#4
What I'd like to hear is the names of the 'incompetant' coppers preferably after at least one of them's been fired; but that's not going to happen either.
From the news report I heard (Radio 2) it sounded worse than incompetence(?)
 
#5
I guess where I'm going with this is the old bone of contention "if the 'victim' can be anonymous during the investigation and trial, why not the accused?"
Do Plod have a register of false-complainers?
Or does the 'victim' have anonymity in that department too?
How many other men might be/have been dragged into the courts by this bint?
 
#6
I think it actually hinges on the failure of the police to comply in any way with the Criminal Proceedure investigation act 1996.

This requires the police to reveal to the CPS and ultimately the defence anything which might reasonably assist in the preparation of the defence case, or undermine the case for the prosecution.

Rape trial collapses after police fail to disclose sex messages

Now (bored) readers of my (i agree, rather repetitive) posts here will have noted that I have been saying for a while that as the police are unable to recruit and retain detective officers, this sort of thing become an ever more likely threat.

Now you can join direct with no experience, and work for a boss who equally joined direct and has no experience, or a flyer who has equally probably never given evidence in court.

Now, the holding out of capability at the volume (and interestingly at more specialist crime level) is a problem too.

For example, phone examiners are likely to have been binned (as was one of my friends, a national level expert who teaches this sort of thing to degree level now). He was told he was having a pay cut, as his job only required A-level standard education (he has an MSc, plus decade plus experience). So he left, having got a better job offer the same day HR tried to do his legs.

Now many forces have "self service" XRY reader machines for download of phones. Cheaper yes, but then who does the analysis? A non-specialist who probably can't even produce a pivot table to triage the resultant product (when I showed my office pivot tables I was running for one job, it was viewed as black magic). The result, unread devices reports.

(I am not saying this is precisely what happened here, but the old spider sense is tingly).

This is the product of Tom Winsor slashing "back-office" functions.

Result, a service unable to get past blue light response and where investigative capability for volume crime was almost extinct. Now specialist offences like sexual and vulnerable persons invexgigstions will also fall apart.

Mark my words, this will get more common in the future.

But clearly, WTF would I know never having "risen" past DC.
 
#7
The crime* will be recorded on police systems and in any later investigation all previous investigations involving all named individuals involved will be looked-at for patterns of behaviour, motive etc.

*Use of the word "crime" doesn't actually mean the assumption of guilt or any case to answer - "reported crime" might have been a better phrase
 
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I guess where I'm going with this is the old bone of contention "if the 'victim' can be anonymous during the investigation and trial, why not the accused?"
Cameron tried to introduce this

It met with resistance* from womens groups and coppers - because naming the attacker gives others the chance to come forward.

Nor is it acceptable to prosecute false accusations as that will stop real victims coming forward as they will be afraid of being charged if they lose (carefully hiding a blatant lie behind the fog of a lost he said she said scenario.

You can forget any real investigation into this incident and tightening up of procedures - because that will be going back to the bad old days where people DONT believe women


*read screeching howling baying mobs


Edit added missing word Dont -
 
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This is the product of Tom Winsor slashing "back-office" functions.
Which is a "circle of life" thing - Chief Constable bins civilians to cut budget, regular officers drafted in to do jobs they're not trained for and have no experience, questions asked why operational bobby is doing an SO1 job, Civilians drafted in to release more officers for the beat.......rinse and repeat
 
#10
Many did try to warn the bosses.

The chiefs said we were not team players.

The Home Secretary said it was scaremongering.
 
#12
I think it actually hinges on the failure of the police to comply in any way with the Criminal Proceedure investigation act 1996.

This requires the police to reveal to the CPS and ultimately the defence anything which might reasonably assist in the preparation of the defence case, or undermine the case for the prosecution.

Rape trial collapses after police fail to disclose sex messages

Now (bored) readers of my (i agree, rather repetitive) posts here will have noted that I have been saying for a while that as the police are unable to recruit and retain detective officers, this sort of thing become an ever more likely threat.

Now you can join direct with no experience, and work for a boss who equally joined direct and has no experience, or a flyer who has equally probably never given evidence in court.

Now, the holding out of capability at the volume (and interestingly at more specialist crime level) is a problem too.

For example, phone examiners are likely to have been binned (as was one of my friends, a national level expert who teaches this sort of thing to degree level now). He was told he was having a pay cut, as his job only required A-level standard education (he has an MSc, plus decade plus experience). So he left, having got a better job offer the same day HR tried to do his legs.

Now many forces have "self service" XRY reader machines for download of phones. Cheaper yes, but then who does the analysis? A non-specialist who probably can't even produce a pivot table to triage the resultant product (when I showed my office pivot tables I was running for one job, it was viewed as black magic). The result, unread devices reports.

(I am not saying this is precisely what happened here, but the old spider sense is tingly).

This is the product of Tom Winsor slashing "back-office" functions.

Result, a service unable to get past blue light response and where investigative capability for volume crime was almost extinct. Now specialist offences like sexual and vulnerable persons invexgigstions will also fall apart.

Mark my words, this will get more common in the future.

But clearly, WTF would I know never having "risen" past DC.
Christ they aren’t even doing that well.
 
#13
Christ they aren’t even doing that well.
Not sure whether to give a like because I know it is true, a funny for the irony or what.

Let's ask what Kim thinks of the whole thing?

 
#14
This is a terrible outcome with a potential travesty of justice avoided at the 11 hour for this young lad.

Boomer nails it though by saying that it was only a matter of time. Detectives running 20 rapes at a time each and morale on Sexual Offences teams at rock bottom with no staff and ever increasing workloads.

As Boumer has said numerous times, cops have warned about this for the last 5 to 7 years and have been called whiners. It’s the future.
 
#15
From the news report I heard (Radio 2) it sounded worse than incompetence(?)
In this case I suspect genuine incompetence, otherwise the CD would have been 'lost' [booked out of the evidence file - illegible writing - never seen again].
 
#16
Boomer nails it though by saying that it was only a matter of time. Detectives running 20 rapes at a time each and morale on Sexual Offences teams at rock bottom with no staff and ever increasing workloads.

As Boumer has said numerous times, cops have warned about this for the last 5 to 7 years and have been called whiners. It’s the future.
It's also the past and has been for a lot more than 5-7 years and until you can fire a plod for being an incompetent idiot it always will be.
 
#17
It's also the past and has been for a lot more than 5-7 years and until you can fire a plod for being an incompetent idiot it always will be.
Steady on, ACPO will never accept that precedent!

Oh wait, it only applies to PC -Chief Inspector?

Crack on that man.....
 
#18
Double standards? No there is a single agenda driven standard of Alison Saunders and it is not pretty.

Particularly telling is that it was the Prosecution brief ( i.e. the only intelligent form of life ever to have considered the charges and demand to see all the evidence) who called it out. CPS had not seen the messages prior to trial and was even then initially told by Plod that the evidence was 'too personal' to share with the CPS and then trotted out the usual claim that it would be "too expensive" to provide full disclosure in all cases.

No, it revealed that there was no case and never had been

Cue epic PR pissing match:

Met: ".....understands the concerns that have been raised as a result of this case being dismissed from court and the ongoing review will seek to address those"

CPS: "In November 2017, the police provided more material in the case of Liam Allan. Upon a review of that material, it was decided that there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction.

"We will now be conducting a management review together with the Metropolitan Police to examine the way in which this case was handled."

Sadly for them, both emerge covered in shite and there is more to come.

 
#19
If this collapse was entirely based on evidence from her phone records showing hundreds of texts and messages (reportedly 40,000 of the buggers!) where she was gagging for sex with him wouldn't those messages have also been on his phone and why weren't they used to counter the claims from the very start?
 

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#20
My first thoughts were that it did not really matter because the suspect seems to be WASP and therefore deemed guilty by all except, possibly, other white males.
 

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