Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death

#1
NEW YORK — U.S. female soldiers in Iraq were assaulted or raped by male soldiers in the women’s latrines, and an alarming number committed suicide, Col. Janis Karpinski reportedly testified before an international human rights commission of inquiry last month.

“Because the women were in fear of getting up in the darkness [to go to the latrine], they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon,” Karpinski testified, according to a report on Truthout.org. “In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep.”

http://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/022006/020806.shtml#top

msr
 
#2
Been done.

It is complete rubbish.

If you read it all, the reasons all contradicte each other. And they claim the women had to drink 3 litres aday. Only 3 litres!!!

They couldn't ask friends to escort them, because they were all tired, but the blokes were alledgedly not tired enough to prevent them hanging around the latrines in packs.

And have you ever hung around a latrine in the desert? Not the place you'd want to hang around or have sex in (forced or otherwise).
 
#3
I hope it is rubbish. If you were scared of going to the lav you would just p*ss in one of the empty water bottles you had in your room, wouldn't you?
 
#4
Yep.

The women that are bringing this up stateside are quite a bunch too.

Chief Joseph (I think) brought this up in another thread.

Similar claims, etc. have been made about Co-ED unis in america. How they are dens of rapist fiends, etc.
 
#5
chocolate_frog said:
Yep.

The women that are bringing this up stateside are quite a bunch too.

Chief Joseph (I think) brought this up in another thread.

Similar claims, etc. have been made about Co-ED unis in america. How they are dens of rapist fiends, etc.
Actually it was me who brought this up, choccie_frog, on this thread:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=60494.html

Having looked into this a bit more, I'm not at all convinced that the allegations are entirely baseless. But there's probably a lot we're not getting to hear about the case.

MsG
 
#6
Check out Col. Janis Karpinski 's history you will see where her motivation lays. It is in the original article.
 
#7
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0319/p99s01-duts.html?s=rel

The Boston Globe reports that the US military is considering installing surveillance cameras in recruiting stations across the US in order to address a rise in misconduct allegations against recruiters. Those allegations include charges of sexual assault by military recruiters.

More than 100 young women who had expressed interest in joining the military reported that their recruiters had victimized them, [an Associated Press] investigation found. The abuse included rape on couches in recruiting offices, assaults in government cars, and gropings en route to military entrance exams.
 
#8
There were rumours that officers would not walk without armed escort in certain areas of the US bases in Iraq because of the gangs that had formed as discipline and morale plummeted.

I'm sure there is a thread on here about it.
 
#12
Have I missed something. Septics are armed to the teeth (thread some place with septic women striped and armed) they have weapons all over them. So any likely lad who approaches in dark is likely to get the good news from Berretta or a 12 inch tooth pick. :thumright:
 
#13
Kermit said:
I hope it is rubbish. If you were scared of going to the lav you would just p*ss in one of the empty water bottles you had in your room, wouldn't you?
thats what i do when i roll in slaughtered, if its good enough for me.....
 
#14
Is there smoke without fire? There have been enough of these kind of reports through the years to raise the antannae - could be because the Americans have greater numbers or because of cultural differences - I'm still naive enough to hope that if British female soldiers faced the same thing on the same scale they would either raise the alarm or take several small pink things painfully into their own hands.......... if I am wrong please put me right... I'm not sure who to believe
 
#15
Overblown horsesh*t.

I've seen more abuse of the system than overt abuse of female recruits. I can count two fingers the number of substantial claims made concerning harassment or sexual misconduct. On the other hand I know of several NCOs and officers whose careers have been put on hold during investigations because some female private had an ax to grind with them and made unfounded accusations.
 
#16
The Army is a highly disciplined, well policed social grouping with strict laws and punishments. Laws are broken, but not with the occurance that is found outside the wire, and crimes are solved faster and punished with far greater severity than anywhere on civi street. It always seems that criminals are tagged ARMY criminals as though the ARMY is the cause. I do not believe this to be the case and get tired every time the public are led to misconceive the type of life 99.999% of soldiers lead... because it can make news.

Next time I'm in court... I'm going to drop the broken home story... and go for the "It's not my fault... I was in the Army m'lud... done my head in they did... made me undisciplined"

(oh let me off m'lud... it's a lovely day, fluffy clouds, chirping birds etc.)

In this case... no smoke without fire... but this is an inferno and I haven't seen the smoke yet.
 
#17
Sven said:
Auld-Yin said:
Sven said:
Wasn't the same thing said of the US aircraft carriers?
No! Just the sailors in the carriers!
What, that officers wouldn't go into certain parts of the sailors without an armed escort?

:cyclopsani: :cyclopsani: :cyclopsani:
'73ish I went out for a week on - I think USS Saratoga which was so big it could not dock at Hong Kong. Life aboard reflected life in an average American city. Gangs, gang territory, people mugged on way back from cinemas. Duty officers responsible for individual areas and it was down to them to run their area so as to have least trouble. Drugs were a major problem. The boss Regulator sort of bloke said the problem was that when at sea, the Skipper had total and absolute power. Most of them were draconian and the matelots rebelled so as to run the ship Their Way.
 
#18
OldRedCap said:
Sven said:
Auld-Yin said:
Sven said:
Wasn't the same thing said of the US aircraft carriers?
No! Just the sailors in the carriers!
What, that officers wouldn't go into certain parts of the sailors without an armed escort?

:cyclopsani: :cyclopsani: :cyclopsani:
'73ish I went out for a week on - I think USS Saratoga which was so big it could not dock at Hong Kong. Life aboard reflected life in an average American city. Gangs, gang territory, people mugged on way back from cinemas. Duty officers responsible for individual areas and it was down to them to run their area so as to have least trouble. Drugs were a major problem. The boss Regulator sort of bloke said the problem was that when at sea, the Skipper had total and absolute power. Most of them were draconian and the matelots rebelled so as to run the ship Their Way.
Didn't they have marines to put down the rebellion - this was, after all, one of the main reasons that marines were brought into being.
 
#19
Don't understand 'rebellion'. The ship had a police staff who were kept busy. Mere existence of a police force does not guarantee crime free environment.
 
#20
Karpinski, a brigadier general, was assigned to Iraq in July 2003 to oversee 17 prison facilities including Abu Ghraib. She was demoted to colonel after news broke of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib when the prison was under her command.

Trying to make herself look less bad by making others look worse?
I wouldnt believe a word from this woman. What right minded person would attempt to rape an armed female soldier. And what buch of females faced with the situation described, wouldnt do what females the world over are famous for doing and go to the loo in pairs/groups.

This whole story is, to quote someone funnier than me, fishier than a lesbians handshake.
 

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