RANT OVER USA

#1
Why is it that the USA seem to want to tell the world what to do. For example: Threat of war against communist states, not allowing various countries to have nuclear weapons or nuclear power, even trying to get involved in the EU.

Why Do they Feel the need to 'police the world'? as well as having an utter plank [who cant even string a sentence together without making himself look like a cock] for a president.
 
#2
Because they are either control freaks, or think that if everything is done the way they want them to be done it will make them safe.
 
#3
bit like the situation with the 1 bomb Korea made, well untill they exploded it.
 

old_fat_and_hairy

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#4
They are just acting as this country did not too many years ago, when we had an Empire. And I don't mean the Shepherds Bush Empire!

With power comes responsibility, and the assumption that everyone wants to be 'just like us'. We imposed our religious beliefs on simple people who had previously been happy worshipping trees, without guilt. We made peoples who had no guilt lose their innocence, made otherwise free people into slaves to our beliefs. We made guiless people feel uncomfortable about their bodies by telling them that nudity was evil, and the body was something to be ashamed of.

The clock turns but the time remains the same.
 
#5
interesting words of wisdom there dude.

but the empire -drool- put the great in Great Britain
 
#6
"He without sin cast the first stone" and all that.

As OFAH points out, we have been as bad if not worse in the past. The real annoying thing is not that they USA tries it on, but everybody lets them get away with it.

Take the extradition treaty for example. We have come off very badly with it, as the pending case for BAE will probably show, by the large lack of reciprocal arrangements.
 
#7
sack the PM, Divert virtually all MOD funds to the army, mass an army larger then the US and reclaim the empire!

One can dream! lol
 
#8
I recall reading something a while ago which basically quoted a US official as saying that whilst they do try to be the good guys, they will ALWAYS act in their own best interests, even if it's to the detriment of allies.

When you've got the most poweful military in the world, I suppose you can act that way.
 
#9
not to mention Oneshot, during the time between ww1 and ww2 the naval treaty USA = No limits to tonnage, guns etc then UK and allies= severe ristrictions. I rekon the USA must feel pretty insecure (maybe they were bullied at school) lol
 
#10
cdn_spr said:
When you've got the most poweful military in the world, I suppose you can act that way.
largest and most powerful that maybe, but discipline and sense of morality is a big NO
 
#11
I've always said that our Empire was created using the technology of the time - we were the leaders in the Industrial revolution and it made us welathy, able to have a great Navy and Army and get out there and start putting our stamp on the world, using their resources, importing and exporting goods and using fast ships and the new railways. The USA has an empire (of sorts) by using the technology of now, which I believe has mainly been based around TV/films/Media and it's associated culture. The US has 'invaded' so many countries without having to use force and leave it's shores. (Ok, it did do that aswell!!!) No matter where you go countries have been influenced by US culture and second to the word OKAY, COCA COLA is the most renowned or internationally known word. Everywhere you go, you'll see the golden arches or will find a Buger King...China had no problem with obesity until Pizza Hut, Dunkin' Donuts et al turned up!!! So generations have grown up with this influence and living in what seems to be a US led world. You can see why the East have decided to stand and fight back, whether it is on religious grounds or some misguided notion - they have had enough of their 'master'....sounds familiar?!
 
#12
Cadet_Chandler said:
cdn_spr said:
When you've got the most poweful military in the world, I suppose you can act that way.
largest and most powerful that maybe, but discipline and sense of morality is a big NO
Actually i would disagree, their military dicipline in some respects is way better than ours in terms of following orders. Their "green machine" is almost exactly that, a machine. OK there has been a couple of instances of bad decisions etc, but again we are not angels either!
 

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#13
All Empires crumble! (The one in Sunderland has fallen down) The reasons for their donfall are manifold, but a prime factor tends to be the education and information that is diseminated by the 'rulers'.
When a small and insignificant country was absorbed by the British Empire, the ruling governors acting on behalf of The Great White Queen - no, not Barrymore - would start educating the populace. They would naturally focus on our history and our values. Then the brighter pupils might be sent to England, to a college. Their eyes would be opened, by the cuture, the freedom of speech. Yes, we still had that. Maybe there would be a socialist influence in the college. Maybe it was 1917, the time of the Russian communist rise. So, seduced by the thought of their own peoples being powerful and by self-rule, dissatisfaction would set in, and the pupil would in turn come back and diseminate their ideas. This led to demands for independence, and so the world turned.

It happened on many levels and in many places, and now, it is the turn of our transatlantic cousins.
Only fair, really. They did it to us in 1776.
 
#14
but then we can turn a blind eye to our mishaps though.
liking ur signiture by the way, reminds me of my uncle.
 
#15
Are you against the spread of WMD then, and feel that every tinpot dictator should be able to have them. Now when Britain was No 1 didn't they tell the world that slaving had to stop and did they not send their ships out to enforce this ban. there must have been many countries then that thought we had gone to far and should mind our own business
 
#16
i do feel that certain countries should not have any nuclear weapons but there must be an actual JUST CAUSE for this, IRAQ,IRAN and AFGANISTAN, other places where exremistm runs rife for example.
 
#17
The American Empire of today is no where near the size of the British Empire, and it is true the British where hated at the end of the day as much as the Americans only because of who they are and what they are.
Just remember when you are at the top of the pecking order everyone below you hates you, and no one remembers the good thing you did only the bad things.
 
#18
old_fat_and_hairy said:
They are just acting as this country did not too many years ago, when we had an Empire. And I don't mean the Shepherds Bush Empire!
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The clock turns but the time remains the same.
That’s true, but the big difference between the USA and the British Empire (and the Spanish, Mongols, Romans or any other empire you care to mention) is that previous empires were unashamedly imperialist.

The USA, in contrast, is in denial about its imperialism. Perhaps it’s because they don’t recognise it, because they recognise it but won’t admit it, or simply because it conflicts with their “creation myths” of freedom, self determination and so on.

Of course, 21st century imperialism uses political and economic means as much or more so than military force. It seeks to “influence” the governments of other nations rather than rule them directly, a strategy that has been remarkably successful in the case of Bliar.

The means may have changed but the end remains the same – to dominate or influence other nations for the benefit of the imperialist power.
 

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#19
old_fat_and_hairy said:
They are just acting as this country did not too many years ago, when we had an Empire. And I don't mean the Shepherds Bush Empire!

With power comes responsibility, and the assumption that everyone wants to be 'just like us'. We imposed our religious beliefs on simple people who had previously been happy worshipping trees, without guilt. We made peoples who had no guilt lose their innocence, made otherwise free people into slaves to our beliefs. We made guiless people feel uncomfortable about their bodies by telling them that nudity was evil, and the body was something to be ashamed of.

The clock turns but the time remains the same.
We also showed them crime and corruption, which they developed and now hand back to us in spades :)
 

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#20
W.Anchor said:
Are you against the spread of WMD then, and feel that every tinpot dictator should be able to have them. Now when Britain was No 1 didn't they tell the world that slaving had to stop and did they not send their ships out to enforce this ban. there must have been many countries then that thought we had gone to far and should mind our own business
After we had become the biggest and most prosperous slavers anyway. And it is obvious how effective the anti-slavery campaign has been. There is no slavery, anywhere now, is there? Is there?
And, we were very vocal on drugs, as are the Americans. We would never have encouraged the Opium Trade in any way. Would we? Really?

And, as Rafbrat so rightly pointed out, we introduced crime and corruption, to countries who had no concept of it, now we re-import it.
Don't misunderstand me, I am proud of my country, have served it, worked for it, fought for it, and died for it twice, but just as with a loved one; you may adore them, but can still see the faults.

America is empirical, but chooses to engage in semantics. They consider that as a Republic, they are not imposing their will on anyone. Merely giving other less fortunates the opportunity to partake of the American Dream. The trouble is, it is an American dream, not an Iraqi one, or an Iranian one, or a Phillipino one. Every country has it's own culture, and that is now being subsumed by an amalgam of American, British , and Japanese influences.
 

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