Ranger Brigade(s)

Big Jim

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So... are we any the wiser as to the make-up of Ranger Brigade, or even if it has a number yet - the Army website still talks about the Specialist Infantry Group... and what about the Special Operations Brigade that the rump of the SpecInfBs were forming into?
I honestly do not see a real role in modern conflicts for R Marines & Paras. should just train up this Ranger Regiment(s) to do the jobs. Being honest when did the Marines do a commando type raid like WW2 or the paras drop into any battle? will ruffle feathers but it´s the truth.
 

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I honestly do not see a real role in modern conflicts for R Marines & Paras. should just train up this Ranger Regiment(s) to do the jobs. Being honest when did the Marines do a commando type raid like WW2 or the paras drop into any battle? will ruffle feathers but it´s the truth.
I think the Booties just reverted to their roots, their current structure and training seems to be for limited “cutting-out” expeditions on shore. As for the Paras I agree….back-up to THEM and Direct Action/Airhead Seizure missions (same tasks as the US Army Ranger Bns).
 

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So... are we any the wiser as to the make-up of Ranger Brigade, or even if it has a number yet - the Army website still talks about the Specialist Infantry Group... and what about the Special Operations Brigade that the rump of the SpecInfBs were forming into?
I believe that an announcement is imminent regarding the new Ranger Regiment and the restructuring of the infantry, yet again. No details, just heard on the grapevine that it is being announced soon.
 

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I believe that an announcement is imminent regarding the new Ranger Regiment and the restructuring of the infantry, yet again. No details, just heard on the grapevine that it is being announced soon.
It came out last Friday (16th). But have seen very little mention of it on here.
 
I honestly do not see a real role in modern conflicts for R Marines & Paras. should just train up this Ranger Regiment(s) to do the jobs. Being honest when did the Marines do a commando type raid like WW2 or the paras drop into any battle? will ruffle feathers but it´s the truth.
It is not always just about how they arrive there . . . but of their abilities, attitudes and performance after they arrive !!

As both represent the "Premier League" of British fighting forces, they have (and should continue to be) associated with reinforcing the Northern (Norway), and Southern (Turkey/Caucasus), "flanks" of NATO.

It would be a great shame, to lose that capability :( .
 

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It came out last Friday (16th). But have seen very little mention of it on here.
Do you have a link to the announcement?
 
I honestly do not see a real role in modern conflicts for R Marines & Paras. should just train up this Ranger Regiment(s) to do the jobs. Being honest when did the Marines do a commando type raid like WW2 or the paras drop into any battle? will ruffle feathers but it´s the truth.
You clearly have no idea about the modern Royal Marines roles and skillsets, and probably aren't any better informed about the Army.

Thank you nevertheless for trying.
 

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I hope it is not as severe as I have heard!
 

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I guess if they are creating a new 1000 body regiment, then we will see deep cuts in line infantry battalions. RRS? Mercian? Who knows.
 

riksavage

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It is not always just about how they arrive there . . . but of their abilities, attitudes and performance after they arrive !!

As both represent the "Premier League" of British fighting forces, they have (and should continue to be) associated with reinforcing the Northern (Norway), and Southern (Turkey/Caucasus), "flanks" of NATO.

It would be a great shame, to lose that capability :( .
Plus the training/testing process delivers a fitter end product with a high sense of self esteem. Why bin units with an excellent esprit de corps that are also held in high regard by our NATO allies. You’re better off adapting and evolving their role. Para-Commando Brigade under DSF, proper Ranger role in support of tier one.

What the British Gov lacks is a proper para-military style hybrid police/military unit. One that is military trained but also receives a condensed version of the police syllabus so they understand police powers of arrest, understand basic crime definitions and can recognise offences (assault, robbery, theft, criminal damage, arson etc.).

I’m not taking about Monkeys or civi police who can’t deploy overseas without an embedded Dunkin Donuts truck, grey filing cabinet stacked with Bells whiskey or the promise of five star hotel accommodation. A unit that can be used in situations where the line between criminality, social unrest and complete lawlessness is a fine one. Recent South African looting scenario or sudden increase in NI violence being examples. Use them when the police lose control or are overwhelmed. Use them for UN tours in failing states before the threshold to full on civil war is crossed.

Deployable in mobile companies (Foxhounds), robustly equipped (RUC++ or French CRS style). Great for major event security too (G7, Olympics), but critically can be deployed overseas at short notice.

Set up three battalions. Draft in soldiers that have served their time and are looking for a career change and are even considering joining the civi police. Treat this as a transitional posting. After say three years they can return to normal soldiering or leave and become a civi cop.
 
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I guess if they are creating a new 1000 body regiment, then we will see deep cuts in line infantry battalions. RRS? Mercian? Who knows.
Which hints at cap badge wars delaying the announcement being made public.
 

Big Jim

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You clearly have no idea about the modern Royal Marines roles and skillsets, and probably aren't any better informed about the Army.

Thank you nevertheless for trying.
well i said it would ruffle a few feathers, get over it son.
Which hints at cap badge wars delaying the announcement being made public.
talking of cap badges what will the cap badge/ Beret look like in the Ranger Regt ? I think the maroon or Green berets are outdated. I think the training is more important than fancy berets or flashy cap badges.
 
well i said it would ruffle a few feathers, get over it son.

talking of cap badges what will the cap badge/ Beret look like in the Ranger Regt ? I think the maroon or Green berets are outdated. I think the training is more important than fancy berets or flashy cap badges.
Well the capbadges of certain corps/regiments, as well as other things like the Green beret outwardly reflect the training/standards a soldier met.

Could be worse, we could have the same fascination for badges/tabs the US forces have.
 

Big Jim

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Well the capbadges of certain corps/regiments, as well as other things like the Green beret outwardly reflect the training/standards a soldier met.

Could be worse, we could have the same fascination for badges/tabs the US forces have.
know what you´re saying but i think they should have a simple beret with a simple cap badge.
no need for silly coloured berets which make you a target anyway is there. let´s face it in a real conflict you´re not going to assault a position wearing a bright beret are you? it´s all for show. nothing to do with real soldiering in the field...so in a way just as bad as the spams. Dark colour beret which does not stand out for vanity & small cap badge/Flash on shoulder.
 

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