Ranger Brigade(s)

More than running up hills with big bergens, units doing the envisioned tasks will need plenty of patience and the ability to spend a lot of time with people who live a very different life from theirs.

The Brit detachments to EUTM Mali were from conventional units and did a fine job. Who decided "arduous courses" and para wings were necessary to engage with indigeneous forces and eat goat meat and camel milk ? 99% of the time it's a test of patience, not of physical strength or stamina.

Sounds like a perfect role for The Specialised Infantry.
 
More than running up hills with big bergens, units doing the envisioned tasks will need plenty of patience and the ability to spend a lot of time with people who live a very different life from theirs.

The Brit detachments to EUTM Mali were from conventional units and did a fine job. Who decided "arduous courses" and para wings were necessary to engage with indigeneous forces and eat goat meat and camel milk ? 99% of the time it's a test of patience, not of physical strength or stamina.
The internet....
 
As usual with the Army’s 3 year corporate memory, we seem to be forgetting our recent past. The COP is an example of task specific selection and training and subsequent tasking. Seemed to work well, once established and a valuable capability that complimented other specialist organisations.
 
To add - the COPs didn’t need no steenking qualification badge, either.

Perhaps, but when you're losing young infanteers hand over fist for being "bad busy", perhaps "steenking qualification badge(s)" alongside appropriate tasking might not be a bad idea...
 

Glad_its_all_over

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I don't see a direct parallel with COPs, any more than with the existing UK Special Forces crowd - sneaky, wet and dry THEM + assorted CS and CSS assets.

All these concentrate on direct action of one sort or another under national command in support of national operations (largely). My sense is that the Ranger types will be looking to embed with and continuously mentor indigenous forces, very much in the US Special Forces core mission, in support of their host nation's operations and interests (it's assumed that promotion of these is in the UK national interest and hence justifies the Ranger deployment in the first place).

In order to do that, the individuals and groups will need, obviously, credibility, so they'll need to be absolute masters of their craft, whether that's weapons, signals, intelligence, medical, whatever - and an example to those mentored. They'll also need to be linguistically savvy - at least trained enough so they can make good use of an interpreter, that's a skill which can be taught - and culturally senstive, willing to accept and embrace both austere conditions and, sometimes, some fairly jarring cultural norms.

As I read the concept, they will also need to be 100% up for accompanying 'their' chaps into battle or operations and playing a full part as advisers, mentors and demonstrators in that role.

I think those criteria are plenty steep enough. They suggest an age profile, probably mid-20s to late 30s, a supreme technical and tactical grasp of their trade (which isn't, probably, high-end door-kicking, it's likely to be producing competent basic infantry from sometimes unpromising raw material), a fair-to-middling educational standard and a high degree of emotional intelligence and aptitude for patient teachning and mentoring.

I think these guys are going to be hard enough to find without adding 'arduous courses' to the entry requirements - and some of the characteristics UKSF look for might perhaps not be wholly useful in the Ranger role.
 

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I have not read the article, but from the gist they are establishing a fernspaehkompanie (specialist reconnaissance troops). They used to have fernspaeher who were troops that came from their falli’s, going through a selection and training process to qualify. Then when it was considered acceptable (post ww2 and all that) they created the KSK and rolled the fernspaeher up into that.

I know they are having recruitment problems across the board, for the military in general, and their SF is having problems with people passing selection to fill their numbers. This new fernspaeherkompanies may be an SF-Lite solution for them. A bit like the UK is creating the new Rangers.

@QRK2 to answer your question: No. He is marine infantry, his blokes perform a role previously carried out by the web footers, all the toys, gear, and training.
 
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Great, here comes another pointless dick waving competition about who has which badges....
Pah ..
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The Boche are in a constant state of flux where their door-kicker and door-kicker-adjacent organisation is concerned. Currently, as I understand it, there are:

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Fernspäher - part of the Reconnaissance Troops, with a recently reconstituted Fernspähkompanie (?200) - with a LRRP mission.

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Spezialisierte Kräfte des Heeres mit Erweiterter Grundbefähigung für Spezielle Operationen - who are specialised troops, one company per battalion, in the two airborne regiments, with an SFSG-like role. Lots of extra training over and above standard para stuff. Cheeky qualification badge as well:

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Kommando Spezialkräfte - the door-kickers, currently missing their 2nd Company out of four commando companies, on account of it was disbanded because too many Nazis.

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GSG-9 - Federal Police Special Forces unit with explicit anti-terrorist role. Nails as.
 

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skymacuk

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They did quite extensive pass or fail training though and usually came from Recce or Patrols Pl.


we also did something similar for the Balkans, ( Bosnia ) EDRC ( Enhanced Deployment Recce Capability ) (Kosovo) BSP ( Brigade Surveillance Platoon)

our Recce platoon ( and anyone else who wanted a crack) did a beat up in Brecon ( basically got thrashed by old school Recce/COP sweats ) then we went to Recce Div in LWC ( Warminster) for a 4 week tradecraft course then onto RAF Cosford for the covert camera course.
 
I don't see a direct parallel with COPs, any more than with the existing UK Special Forces crowd - sneaky, wet and dry THEM + assorted CS and CSS assets.

All these concentrate on direct action of one sort or another under national command in support of national operations (largely). My sense is that the Ranger types will be looking to embed with and continuously mentor indigenous forces, very much in the US Special Forces core mission, in support of their host nation's operations and interests (it's assumed that promotion of these is in the UK national interest and hence justifies the Ranger deployment in the first place).

In order to do that, the individuals and groups will need, obviously, credibility, so they'll need to be absolute masters of their craft, whether that's weapons, signals, intelligence, medical, whatever - and an example to those mentored. They'll also need to be linguistically savvy - at least trained enough so they can make good use of an interpreter, that's a skill which can be taught - and culturally senstive, willing to accept and embrace both austere conditions and, sometimes, some fairly jarring cultural norms.

As I read the concept, they will also need to be 100% up for accompanying 'their' chaps into battle or operations and playing a full part as advisers, mentors and demonstrators in that role.

I think those criteria are plenty steep enough. They suggest an age profile, probably mid-20s to late 30s, a supreme technical and tactical grasp of their trade (which isn't, probably, high-end door-kicking, it's likely to be producing competent basic infantry from sometimes unpromising raw material), a fair-to-middling educational standard and a high degree of emotional intelligence and aptitude for patient teachning and mentoring.

I think these guys are going to be hard enough to find without adding 'arduous courses' to the entry requirements - and some of the characteristics UKSF look for might perhaps not be wholly useful in the Ranger role.

Are you suggesting US SF Green Beret selection?
 
The Boche are in a constant state of flux where their door-kicker and door-kicker-adjacent organisation is concerned. Currently, as I understand it, there are:

Fernspäher - part of the Reconnaissance Troops, with a recently reconstituted Fernspähkompanie (?200) - with a LRRP mission.

View attachment 571990 - Spezialisierte Kräfte des Heeres mit Erweiterter Grundbefähigung für Spezielle Operationen - who are specialised troops, one company per battalion, in the two airborne regiments, with an SFSG-like role. Lots of extra training over and above standard para stuff. Cheeky qualification badge as well:

View attachment 571989 - Kommando Spezialkräfte - the door-kickers, currently missing their 2nd Company out of four commando companies, on account of it was disbanded because too many Nazis.

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GSG-9 - Federal Police Special Forces unit with explicit anti-terrorist role. Nails as.


And they are spending a considerable amount of time touring various Sahel nations IOT sell their CJSOTF project in Niger (a.k.a Gazelle) which is going to fall under EUTM Mali remit.

This is a "non executive" (i.e non shooty) type of mission; the boches have already spent quite a lot of money to beef up local capacities, both in infrastructures, training and equipment.

In the end, nations that don't want to get involved in combat action could join the Gazelle project with Germany under the EU Flag while those that want to do AAA can join the TF Takuba project with France under Op Barkhane as Estonia, the Czech Republic, Sweden and soon Italy have done (not counting LOs from several other nations).
 
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