Ranger Brigade(s)

Sorry but even though I’m a sassenach, this has got to be an extremely sad day in British military history. It was bad enough, with the amalgamation of the Scots Regts to form Royal Regt of Scotland. But they’ve lost their Colour’s, Cap badge and foisted on them that abortion of a cap badge.
It would have been better, kept the name Colour and cap badge, but given them the Grey Beret.
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The lads who pass out of the depot in 2022 won't care. They'll give their loyalty to whatever cap badge they're wearing and fight the Queen's enemies on command (and anybody else on impulse).

The rest is old men's sentimentality.
 
The lads who pass out of the depot in 2022 won't care. They'll give their loyalty to whatever cap badge they're wearing and fight the Queen's enemies on command (and anybody else on impulse).

The rest is old men's sentimentality.
The war pig ones maybe, but there’s still a lot who sign on, because of who they are! Family connections come into it as well. I know of three generations of one family who’ve served in RTR, first two in 2RTR the latest in the current Regt.
 

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The lads who pass out of the depot in 2022 won't care. They'll give their loyalty to whatever cap badge they're wearing and fight the Queen's enemies on command (and anybody else on impulse).

The rest is old men's sentimentality.
Indeed, they won't have any other choice, unless of course those that don't like it sign off leaving you smug in your "Told you so mode" with the remainers.
 
Indeed, they won't have any other choice, unless of course those that don't like it sign off leaving you smug in your "Told you so mode" with the remainers.

Why would I be smug?

I don't get the reference to 'remainers' either.

It's just the way of things. Regiments have chopped and changed and merged and disbanded for about four centuries. The underlying spirit continues.
 
There was a lot of anger and hurt when the single battalion county regiments were amalgamated last time around. The creation of three battalion regiments gave the lads who served in them a much better deal.
 
The war pig ones maybe, but there’s still a lot who sign on, because of who they are! Family connections come into it as well. I know of three generations of one family who’ve served in RTR, first two in 2RTR the latest in the current Regt.

The next batch of recruits will be proud of their regiment.
 
Instant tradition.

Remind me, someone, how long it took to settle the various issues around sleeves up/down, shirts in/out, stable/regimental belts etcetera, if you'd be so kind.

And O BTW, when did the selection process kick in to de-select the emotionally un-intelligent from among the ranks of the current incumbents of that there barricks?

Asking for a friend or two, so I am..
 

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Instant tradition.

Remind me, someone, how long it took to settle the various issues around sleeves up/down, shirts in/out, stable/regimental belts etcetera, if you'd be so kind.

And O BTW, when did the selection process kick in to de-select the emotionally un-intelligent from among the ranks of the current incumbents of that there barricks?

Asking for a friend or two, so I am..
As they have been a Specialised Inf Bn for several years I would think most of that has been done.
 
Regiments have chopped and changed and merged and disbanded for about four centuries. The underlying spirit continues.
Depending on how it's managed, that may or may not be a good thing, IMHO.

What ticks me off is that the externals are addressed immediately (new/shoite cap badge) but there's fvcking nothing - to indicate how the men of this plain vanilla (OK, deep-fried Mars bar, if you like) infantry regiment are somehow going to become something akin to Green Berets.

I fear my nation is being presented with a Land capability that offers security through low-budget window dressing.
 
That’s fair enough, but will these new recruits be able to go straight into the Ranger Battalions. Or is it do a couple years in a Regular Infantry Btn?

I don't know. I hope the Army knows, but I wouldn't bet on it...
 

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Depending on how it's managed, that may or may not be a good thing, IMHO.

What ticks me off is that the externals are addressed immediately (new/shoite cap badge) but there's fvcking nothing - to indicate how the men of this plain vanilla (OK, deep-fried Mars bar, if you like) infantry regiment are somehow going to become something akin to Green Berets.

I fear my nation is being presented with a Land capability that offers security through low-budget window dressing.
The tone of this thread seems to be concentrating on 1 SCOTS and their trials and tribulations, but this is happening to 4 infantry battalions. The others being 2PWRR, 2 Lancs and 4 Rifles, all going through the same metamorphosis.

4 battalions effectively wiped from the infantry Orbat and very easy to cut when the experiment fails! Statements that no cap badges have been lost, while accurate, is very misleading. No doubt that will be trumpeted again when the Ranger Bns are axed in a few years time.
 
Depending on how it's managed, that may or may not be a good thing, IMHO.

What ticks me off is that the externals are addressed immediately (new/shoite cap badge) but there's fvcking nothing - to indicate how the men of this plain vanilla (OK, deep-fried Mars bar, if you like) infantry regiment are somehow going to become something akin to Green Berets.

I fear my nation is being presented with a Land capability that offers security through low-budget window dressing.

I wish I could contradict you.

If the Ranger Battalionettes even survive future cutbacks, all they may actually be good for is non-kinetic UN work.

I could envisage them participating in disaster relief and humanitarian missions. That would probably mean providing perimeter guards by night, and then carrying out a few vehicle patrols, and manning medic/social work stations by day. Perhaps they'd even train up a local militia or paramilitary police force.

All well and good, but it's not soldiering, nor is it an acceptable use of the defence budget.

Fortunately, I'm misguided in my thinking. They will be elite operators; skilled linguists; wise mentors to Johnny Foreigner, the spearhead of... whatever.
 
The tone of this thread seems to be concentrating on 1 SCOTS and their trials and tribulations, but this is happening to 4 infantry battalions. The others being 2PWRR, 2 Lancs and 4 Rifles, all going through the same metamorphosis.

4 battalions effectively wiped from the infantry Orbat and very easy to cut when the experiment fails! Statements that no cap badges have been lost, while accurate, is very misleading. No doubt that will be trumpeted again when the Ranger Bns are axed in a few years time.
In my case, and I doubt I'm alone - you're preaching to the choir, I reckon.
 
Correct - all officers and ROTC cadets can get go to jump school as it’s viewed a confidence builder. The other piece of the picture is that the USAF has thousands of aircrew that need to maintain currency in airborne operations.

As to requiring an arduous course, the thinking is that you build the airborne ethos through arduous training when in the unit.
This is almost identical in concept to that employed by the French for their basic military parachute course.
(Sans the bit about the aircrew, bien sur :) )
 
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Compare and contrast:

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And they also have a decent sized and capable Navy and Air Force and their own Nuclear Deterrent.

The French Army is concentrating currently on improving the higher intensity warfare end of the full spectrum of operational capability with the aim of being able to effectively deploy a full divison into such a conflict should it be necessary.

Are we missing a trick somewhere.
 
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