Ranger Brigade(s)

Glad_its_all_over

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It's what the new £8bn of cash is for.
The answer to this conundrum is obvious. The Rangers are all-arms, right? Import Royal Signals RD types to do the CSM and RSM roles. They're well-used to administering loud shouting as an aid to delivering complex and demanding services.
 
Goodbye 2PWRR.

The weight of the 2nd, 3rd, 31st, 35th, 37th, 50th, 57th, 67th, 70th, 77th, 97th and 107th Regiments of Foot now rests on the shoulders of the 1st Battalion.

Invicta Ich Dien.
 
The Ranger thing is essentially the USSF FID concept, minus the 'creation of partisan and/or guerilla forces in the enemy's rear areas' - which is the formal justification for A Teams being parachute-qualified, in order to open up extra covert insertion options.

Yes and no. The Americans treat parachuting very differently to us. There's no arduous course to pass before being "allowed" to do it, they crank as many through it as they can and the jump training itself is seen as character building, and it's just another infantry skills badge.
 

Ursus Major

War Hero
Yes and no. The Americans treat parachuting very differently to us. There's no arduous course to pass before being "allowed" to do it, they crank as many through it as they can and the jump training itself is seen as character building, and it's just another infantry skills badge.
so the return of the "Lightbulb"?
 
Yes and no. The Americans treat parachuting very differently to the ego driven elements of the British Army. There's no arduous course to pass before being "allowed" to do it, they crank as many through it as they can and the jump training itself is seen as character building, and it's just another infantry skills badge.
FoC.
 
so the return of the "Lightbulb"?
Apart from the fact that lightbulb =/= not passing an arduous course. Lightbulb = passing BPC but not (currently) in a PID that can be reasonably expected to parachute in course of their duties.

I suspect there’s a fair few individuals in the Army who should wear the lightbulb rather than full wings.
 
Yes and no. The Americans treat parachuting very differently to us. There's no arduous course to pass before being "allowed" to do it, they crank as many through it as they can and the jump training itself is seen as character building, and it's just another infantry skills badge.
Correct - all officers and ROTC cadets can get go to jump school as it’s viewed a confidence builder. The other piece of the picture is that the USAF has thousands of aircrew that need to maintain currency in airborne operations.

As to requiring an arduous course, the thinking is that you build the airborne ethos through arduous training when in the unit.
 

skymacuk

Old-Salt
Correct - all officers and ROTC cadets can get go to jump school as it’s viewed a confidence builder. The other piece of the picture is that the USAF has thousands of aircrew that need to maintain currency in airborne operations.

As to requiring an arduous course, the thinking is that you build the airborne ethos through arduous training when in the unit.


This is why British ABF are probably more akin to The 75th Ranger Regiment rather than the 82nd Airborne.
 
This is why British ABF are probably more akin to The 75th Ranger Regiment rather than the 82nd Airborne.
Because 82nd Div or 75th Ranger Regiment can actually jump as a Division/Regiment , whereas 16X will never jump as a Brigade?
 
This is why British ABF are probably more akin to The 75th Ranger Regiment rather than the 82nd Airborne.
Correct, although the 75th is more akin to the SFSG.
 
Next question: Having started a new regiment, have they stood up a new RHQ to administer all the background stuff, like Welfare, Veterans, Heritage, Charities, Chattels, Officer Selection, so on and so forth?

One assumes that it won’t have a Band or even a Corps of Drums, but what about a museum some time in the future?

Will it have a Colonel of the Regiment? (Pray to God that it won’t be Carter).

Colours?

The list could go on…….
 

Cynical

LE
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One assumes that it won’t have a Band or even a Corps of Drums, but what about a museum some time in the future?
First it needs to last longer than "Strike" - the last solution to all the Army's problems...
 

QRK2

LE
Apart from the fact that lightbulb =/= not passing an arduous course. Lightbulb = passing BPC but not (currently) in a PID that can be reasonably expected to parachute in course of their duties.

I suspect there’s a fair few individuals in the Army who should wear the lightbulb rather than full wings.

'Currently' is wrong, the 'with wings' is in perpetuity if having served in the relevant post.
 

QRK2

LE
Next question: Having started a new regiment, have they stood up a new RHQ to administer all the background stuff, like Welfare, Veterans, Heritage, Charities, Chattels, Officer Selection, so on and so forth?

One assumes that it won’t have a Band or even a Corps of Drums, but what about a museum some time in the future?

Will it have a Colonel of the Regiment? (Pray to God that it won’t be Carter).

Colours?

The list could go on…….

One hopes not, since they don't yet have a raft of passed over majors to find sinecures for. As for colours everyone bar heavy infantry and the RAC (ETA: and of course the RAF Regiment) seems to manage fine without.
 
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only in that they both provide direct support to Tier 1 units.


I meant the comparison in that they both do an arduous course P Coy/RASP and that the US Airborne Forces do not.
True. It’s arduous training rather than arduous courses.
 

Cynical

LE
Book Reviewer
As for colours everyone bar heavy infantry and the RAC (ETA: and of course the RAF Regiment) seems to manage fine without.
You forgot the gunners, whose colours are their guns.

You may or may not decry the Regimental system etc (remember, colours evolved as a battlefield allying point and are taken quite seriously by those who serve under them - not just in the British Army). One of the remarks in Guthrie's book addressed this. Something like "many think I'm over concerned with tradition, bur in my experience when everything else has gone wrong tradition is one of the few things left..."

Then there were the words of that Gren Gds Lt (shamefully I forget his name) who was having a bad Rorkes Drift rerun in Afghan ot the effect "... I remembered that the Grenadier Guards had never been defeated on the battlefield and was damned if I was going to be the first to lose"

For sure the Regimental system causes some problems. But they are a rounding error compared to the complete cake and arse party that we currently have.
 

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