Rail Travel up by 8%

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  1. With today's announcement of a 8% hike in rail fares, is rail travel in Britain now going beyond the pocket of the working man?

    Surely these prices can not continue to rise at this level every year in such a poor economic climate.

    Someone must be laughing ........ All the way to the bank.
  2. Must be one of the only industries where,you pay for improvements,and upgrades upto 3 years before they start carrying them out,can't ask the share holders to take a cut in their dividends for a couple of years can you? :frustrated:
  3. Good old privatisation at it's best.
  4. The source of the problem is successive greedy governments that charges so much for the franchise that there is nothing left to spend on improvements or passengers, and certainly bugger all for the investor!
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  5. If you honestly think that companies like Southeastern aren't making huge profits,you're reading the wrong financial pages,they're not in it for altruistic reasons believe me.

    In the S.E. it will be a 13% increase,not between 3-8%,when the government ran the South East rail network,after the previous franchisee got kicked out,the trains ran almost on time,and the fare increases were managable,since Southeastern took over,we're back to the 'lets make shitloads of profits' scenario,because we're the only game in town and there is no alternative,except the car!

    As for shareholders getting nothing,I have at least 3 friends who get a nice return every year on their stock.
  6. I spent three weeks in London a few years ago whilst working in a voluntary capacity for Scope. The way the train companies operated were dispicable. Grotty old carriages and not enough trains at peak times. I have never seen people treated with such disregard at rush hour.

    I am so glad I am not at the mercy of the Soutern Rail Companies.
  7. As you dont work it won't affect you at all. Rail fares may increase by the RPI formula today, but so will benefits.
  8. Doleys can even get a free rail warrant to get them to job interviews...
  9. It's those damned unions I tell ya!
    £30k they earn to press the stop and start buttons. They even get to masturbate publically. You can't see em at it but you know it's going on.
  10. 30K,Really?
  11. Rail "privatisation" has been a total disaster. Profits are guaranteed through tax payer subsidy and faires are totally out of control.

    It is a very good example of the limits of privatisation. There is not a competitive market for rail faires because there are only a finite number of tracks, trains and operators, the latter of whom secure the rights to run trains on X service for Y length of time through the disastrous 'franchise' system.

    Worse still is the people that do depend on rail are a captive market - there is often no other way of them completing their journey. Captive markets are easier to exploit.

    Bleh. Major was a tit.
  12. Congratulations on showing that you know the square root of **** all, when it comes to driving trains! :roll:...FYI, there are no 'stop and start buttons'.
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  13. The problem isn't the ToC's, but rather the leases they have no choice but to agree to!
  14. Our way of privatising rail was shambolically awful at best. We managed to make what had been a complex but organised (ish) system - British Rail - into a bizarre, festering mess filled with lawyers, running rotten services for extortionate prices, and still costing the taxpayer subsidy money.

    Problems of note:

    * The TOC (Train Operating Companies) don't actually own their kit. The kit is owned by ROSCOs (Rolling Stock Owning Companies), of which there are three: Angel Trains Ltd., Eversholt Rail Group, and Porterbrook Leasing Co. Ltd. There is almost no competition between each firm, and if a firm specialises in a certain type of vehicle (e.g. the Pendolino units), it can literally charge whatever the hell it likes. TOCs therefore have to pay extraordinary prices to run anything at all. That discourages them from putting more vehicles on the rails.

    * The TOCs also don't own the network, which is (of course) managed by Notwork Fail... I mean Network Rail. NR is a non-profit-making firm (well, sometimes), basically run by the state, after Railtrack PLC (private) failed so disastrously to keep a track on things that we got the likes of Hatfield. Any time you get disruption caused by NR's works overrunning (which they frequently do, in no small part thanks to torturous HSE regulations), a complex set of actions ensues whereby, in a nutshell, you complain to the TOC, and the TOC then has a legal wrangle with NR about whose fault the delay was. Lawyers make money and the system gels up.

    * Southerners whinge about their trains but apparently fail to notice that up here you can be jammed on a pacer for three hours, standing, and not complain half as much ^_~

    * Competition is imposssible with the franchising system. In theory, Northern Rail could run a competitive service from Liverpool to Newcastle against First Transpennine. In practice, Northern's franchise covers the local stopping services (following the old L&Y road through Todmorden, Mytholmroyd etc) and First TPE's covers the expresses. Neither really can compete with the other. There's little or no incentive to improve services as a result; the same situation is true with regard to punctuality. Yes, there are penalty clauses for turning up late... but only ten minutes or more. In Japan, being ten minutes late would probably get you an enormous bollocking and an invitation to take the Mess Wakizashi into the library.

    * This, by the by, also explains the number of cancelled trains one sees. It's cheaper to cancel a train, freeing up its path and allowing the timetable to spring back to some semblance of normality, than to keep it running and incur even more knock-on delays.

    * Most of the TOCs are divisions of vast companies and don't seem too bothered about the quality of their staff. Network Rail hires in contractors, with occasionally very unhappy results (see Lambrigg). Outside private firms make a lot of brass by hiring inadequate personnel to the rail system, doing jobs for which BR had in-house staff.

    * Railway R&D in this country essentially ceased with the privatisation of BR, meaning that all new kit has to be bought from foreign firms.

    * The TOCs, the ROSCOs, Notwork Fail and everyone else involved know one thing above all else: they can get away with it.

  15. You forgot the bit where the DoT get involved, take brand new units from one ToC before they are delivered, to give to another and force the former to take units put into care and pres' by a 3rd ToC, because they were too old and there were no spare parts for them anymore!