Raggis Killer - 18 years

#1
I couldn't find the previous thread so I just started this one...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=472173&in_page_id=1770


The article is a couple of days old. 18 years minimum tariff? Personally I would like to see him go for a short drop and a quick stop Sadam style, I'd happily pull the lever myself, but that's obviously wishful thinking these days.

When you read the article though; he was thrown out the club, came back armed with a ten inch knife looking for a soldier, any soldier and stabbed Raggi 6 times...if we can't hang him life should mean life for a murder like this, 18 years is not enough....
 
#2
#5
Just bumping this to see what the evening crowd think of this "life" sentence.

Should we have US style life means life sentences...or as I would like to see, the return of the gallows?
 
#6
I hope the marks on his face are from the kicking he got from the lads that chased him down. FCUKING scum of the earth bring back the death penalty for cowards like this. :x
 
#7
A typical sh1te scum chavvy turd, so common in UK now that they are everywhere. Do him like Sadam's cuz, so his empty sh1t filled head pops off, then hunt down his crappy family and slot a few of them fcukers as well, in case they breed.
 
#8
Glad family and friends have a bit of closure. Live should mean life. You take one, yours should be no more. I spoke to the local police after it had happened and even they were shocked.

Rest easy up there, he'll be joining you some day. Save your strength.
 
#9
The_IRON said:
I hope the marks on his face are from the kicking he got from the lads that chased him down. FCUKING scum of the earth bring back the death penalty for cowards like this. :x
Cow said:
Glad family and friends have a bit of closure. Live should mean life. You take one, yours should be no more. I spoke to the local police after it had happened and even they were shocked.

Rest easy up there, he'll be joining you some day. Save your strength.
I knew Raggi at 1 Div in the 90s but I only know what I've read in the press about this incident...Did some of the boys chase the cnut down after it happened then??
 
#10
Although I do not believe in the death penalty I feel that prison should exist as a deterrent to others by having long sentences including life as in life, and for the comforts being removed I have had to live, and pay for the privilage, in much worse accomadation than prisoners reside in. I know I volunteered to serve but they decided to break the law(s).
 
#11
legal_eagle said:
The_IRON said:
I hope the marks on his face are from the kicking he got from the lads that chased him down. FCUKING scum of the earth bring back the death penalty for cowards like this. :x
Cow said:
Glad family and friends have a bit of closure. Live should mean life. You take one, yours should be no more. I spoke to the local police after it had happened and even they were shocked.

Rest easy up there, he'll be joining you some day. Save your strength.
I knew Raggi at 1 Div in the 90s but I only know what I've read in the press about this incident...Did some of the boys chase the cnut down after it happened then??
From the paper.
As Campbell fled he was advised by Edward Davies, 31, of Heol Penlan, Stopandcall in Fishguard, how to leave the town centre without being filmed by CCTV cameras.

Campbell ran alongside the river, but he was chased by Alex Herbert, Aled Ward and Marco Scharf.


I think it makes it very, very hard for soldiers from this country to risk their lives abroad only to lose them here

Isabelle Ragni

Mr Herbert managed to kick Campbell, who threatened to stab him.

The chase continued and he was tackled by Mr Scharf. At that point Mr Ward managed to get the knife from Campbell.


The court heard how Davies was also on licence from prison at the time.

He admitted an offence of assisting an offender and was jailed for 15 months. He told police he had not realised how badly injured Mr Ragni was.
 
#12
I asked Kyhros what he thought the US courts response to the murder of one their soldiers would be....

Depending on the State, the fatherless would of been facing either life in prison or the death penalty if convicted... even if there were mitigating circumstances and his lawyer did a good job, he'd be going away for quite some time.

Sad situation... I hope your nation gets tougher on sentencing but it's going to take massive public outcry for it to happen.
I thought as much, our sentencing policy has become a joke...not a very funny one either, this fcuker will be released while he is still young enough to enjoy the remainder of his miserable life..
 
#13
The_IRON said:
legal_eagle said:
The_IRON said:
I hope the marks on his face are from the kicking he got from the lads that chased him down. FCUKING scum of the earth bring back the death penalty for cowards like this. :x
Cow said:
Glad family and friends have a bit of closure. Live should mean life. You take one, yours should be no more. I spoke to the local police after it had happened and even they were shocked.

Rest easy up there, he'll be joining you some day. Save your strength.
I knew Raggi at 1 Div in the 90s but I only know what I've read in the press about this incident...Did some of the boys chase the cnut down after it happened then??
From the paper.
As Campbell fled he was advised by Edward Davies, 31, of Heol Penlan, Stopandcall in Fishguard, how to leave the town centre without being filmed by CCTV cameras.

Campbell ran alongside the river, but he was chased by Alex Herbert, Aled Ward and Marco Scharf.


I think it makes it very, very hard for soldiers from this country to risk their lives abroad only to lose them here

Isabelle Ragni

Mr Herbert managed to kick Campbell, who threatened to stab him.

The chase continued and he was tackled by Mr Scharf. At that point Mr Ward managed to get the knife from Campbell.


The court heard how Davies was also on licence from prison at the time.

He admitted an offence of assisting an offender and was jailed for 15 months. He told police he had not realised how badly injured Mr Ragni was.
Hats off to those lads then. Don't think I know any of them but that was a gutsy move considering what the cnut had just done...
 
#14
The trouble with a sentence that appears unduly lenient or unfair to the victim and their family and friends, is that this may lead to a gang vigilante mentality.
 
#15
Putting aside the merits of the sentence in this case, I think the problem with sentencing in general is the mindset of politicians.

Read most criminology texts and you wil find the consensus is that 'vengeance' as a reason for imposing criminal sanctions is somehow wrong and belongs firmly in the past. yet there doesn't seem to be any concrete reason why vengeance is wrong.

Imo the reasons for imposing criminal sanctions must be public protection, deterrence, vengeance (no partocular order) and lasty, rehabilitation. The fools in the justice system (esp the probation service) seem to think that6 rehab should be the overarching aim when in fact that makes no sense at all. If you lock someone up, you remove him from society and the problem is solved. Once that is done, then think about rehab...not the other way round.

Sorry - I digress...
 
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Scabster_Mooch said:
Putting aside the merits of the sentence in this case, I think the problem with sentencing in general is the mindset of politicians.

Read most criminology texts and you wil find the consensus is that 'vengeance' as a reason for imposing criminal sanctions is somehow wrong and belongs firmly in the past. yet there doesn't seem to be any concrete reason why vengeance is wrong.

Imo the reasons for imposing criminal sanctions must be public protection, deterrence, vengeance (no partocular order) and lasty, rehabilitation. The fools in the justice system (esp the probation service) seem to think that6 rehab should be the overarching aim when in fact that makes no sense at all. If you lock someone up, you remove him from society and the problem is solved. Once that is done, then think about rehab...not the other way round.

Sorry - I digress...
No, I don't think you do digress. That was more or less the thrust of this thread (18 years is not enough for the cnut) and I agree with what you say.
My personal opinion is that sentencing policy in the UK has evolved in parallel with the liberalism that has infected all areas of public life. We are no longer a religious country so the old "eye for an eye" ethos is long gone from the legal system and has been replaced by the "rehabilitation" philosophy combined, arguably to a lesser degree with the need to protect the public from harm.

For me, crimes like this deserve punishment and if we can't snap his neck then he should never see the light of day again...
 

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#17
For me regardless whether he has killed a soldier,policeman,kiddie,man or woman he has murdered end of
An open and shut case like this should be the death penalty
Then we wouldn't be worried about rehab or overcrowded prisons

This cunt would get 18 years for me see if he's as clever then
As Campbell fled he was advised by Edward Davies, 31, of Heol Penlan, Stopandcall in Fishguard, how to leave the town centre without being filmed by CCTV cameras.
 
#18
Fcuk him, i'm very sorry , etc, etc, don't give a fcuk,

Chuck him on the streets of Bagdad or Kabol, with fcuk all and see how long he lasts.

Cnut.
 
#19
roadster280 said:
It seems we're mostly agreed on the death penalty being merited in such open and shut cases. The problem is how to convince the politicians (who the population elected) to take it on board.

Personally, I would work the fcuker into the ground in a hard labour camp until he is too old to work (but extracting useful work from him until then), and then hang him.

Alternatively, have prisoners like this doing nuclear contamination cleanups etc, before executing them. Doesnt really matter if they get radiation sickness, and someone has to do it, should it be required.

What happens if you get pissed and trash the block in the Army? At the minimum, ROPs, cleaning bins, sweeping leaves etc. So why aren't we using such fcukwits as this in similar roles?

What about the odd burglar? Why give him 5 years, when you can give him 2 years with a further three suspended, and then a subsequent 5000 hours of community service, and recall him to jail if he reneges on the community stuff.

FAR TOO SOFT for my liking.
Roadster, agreed. See my last, Cnuts.
 
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roadster280 said:
It seems we're mostly agreed on the death penalty being merited in such open and shut cases. The problem is how to convince the politicians (who the population elected) to take it on board.

Personally, I would work the fcuker into the ground in a hard labour camp until he is too old to work (but extracting useful work from him until then), and then hang him.

Alternatively, have prisoners like this doing nuclear contamination cleanups etc, before executing them. Doesnt really matter if they get radiation sickness, and someone has to do it, should it be required.

What happens if you get pissed and trash the block in the Army? At the minimum, ROPs, cleaning bins, sweeping leaves etc. So why aren't we using such fcukwits as this in similar roles?

What about the odd burglar? Why give him 5 years, when you can give him 2 years with a further three suspended, and then a subsequent 5000 hours of community service, and recall him to jail if he reneges on the community stuff.

FAR TOO SOFT for my liking.
Yes. :nod:

Sensible policies for a better Britain...work him all the way to the gallows. I think they call this "blue skies thinking" nowadays don't they??

I like where you're coming from! :thumright:
 
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