RAF Over-stretch

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#1
Pinched this lead from Rum Ration:

BBC News - RAF chief Sir Simon Bryant in warning over Libya

Harmony guidelines reminder:

Hansard 11 Feb 2009: The Royal Navy guidelines determine that personnel spend, on average, 60 per cent. of their time deployed and 40 per cent. alongside in their home port during a three-year period. The maximum individual threshold (separated service) is 660 days away from their normal place of work in the same three year period. [i.e. an average of 220 days per year away from base]

The Army guidelines determine that soldiers can be deployed for one six-month tour in every 30 months (six on, 24 off) and during that 30 month period a soldier should not expect to be away from his or her normal place of work for more than a total of 415 days. [i.e. an average of 166 days per year away from base]

The Royal Air Force guidelines determine that personnel should not spend more than 280 days in every 24 months away from their normal place of duty. [i.e. an average of 140 days per year away from base]
 
#2
As usual with the RAF it's all about spin, with the overall aim of promoting their corporate agenda, i.e. securing more funding/manpower than they really need so their personnel don't need to work too hard/spend too much time away from their boyfriends.

In other words, to misquote; utterly, utterly bollocks.
 
#3
The planes that are bombing Libya are flying from Italy, so all the groundcrews/support staff are based out of there - Its hardly field conditions - Bunch of jaccuzi loving, slipper wearing, uber REMF's.
 
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You have to be fair to the RAF, it is approaching the holiday season so hotel rooms are becoming more difficult to obtain and more expensive! :)
 
#8
The planes that are bombing Libya are flying from Italy, so all the groundcrews/support staff are based out of there - Its hardly field conditions - Bunch of jaccuzi loving, slipper wearing, uber REMF's.
A bloke I know was upset he was going to Italy for two months...

I've been on Exercise longer than that.
 
#9
A bloke I know was upset he was going to Italy for two months...

I've been on Exercise longer than that.
Let them have thier fun, they will be disbanded or subsumed into the AAC soon enough :)
 
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I remember meeting a couple of hard dun by crab pilots, they told me how hard life was for them ,having to live in the desert, unfortunately this was in the hotel bar, in Las Vagas
 
#12
Is the Southern Italian food the cause of the RAF "running hot"?
This is Scunthorpe 20 June 2011 said:
THE father of a serviceman has told how his son has been served rotten food while engaged in military action as part of the Libyan campaign.

During a debate on the Armed Forces Bill, Brigg MP Andrew Percy said the un-named dad, whose son is based in Italy as part of the Libya campaign, had been to see him to discuss the treatment of his son and other servicemen and women stationed abroad.

Speaking on the floor of the House Of Commons, the Conservative MP said: "I needed no more evidence of how a great deal remains to be done on our treatment of our military, but I received some when a constituent came to see me a couple of weeks ago. "His son is a ground crew-man who is working as part of Operation Ellamy in Italy.

"My constituent informed me, against the wishes of his son, that service personnel were continuing to be served rotten food and that they had insufficient computers to make contact with their families back home." Mr Percy said: "My constituent's son had complained about being served rotten oranges.

"He also said the diet was very unvaried and consisted mainly of pasta, as a result of which family members had been sending out food parcels to supplement his diet...
Can anyone supply an address for despatching food parcels and other creature comforts or will any hotel around GdC suffice? At least the beer is okay according to reports.
 
#13
“To paraphrase Gen Dannatt’s comments on the British Army a few years ago, many parts of the RAF are 'running hot’,” Air Chief Marshal Bryant said.

And the crabs can't sustain this for more than a few months? Says it all.

And as for this: “... some pilots of Tristar transport aircraft coming to the end of a two-and-a-half-year tour “have only ever landed at four bases: Brize Norton, Akrotiri, Muscat and Kandahar [the transport hubs for ferrying troops to and from Afghanistan]”.

Does this idiot not realise that we are fighting a war in Afghanistan? Where did he think they were going to fly to? Barbados?
 
#14
Dunservin

Sending pasta and pizzas might not be what the boys want.....

msr

Is the point is that providing tankers/transports etc to support Italy based jets for Libya takes resources away from the Afghan airbridge?

Maybe a CVS with Harriers would have (could have?) given the RAF the chance of a breather?

See the comments and suggestion here: Decision to axe Harrier is "bonkers". - Page 40 - PPRuNe Forums
 
#16
As usual with the RAF/Army/Navy it's all about spin, with the overall aim of promoting their corporate agenda, i.e. securing more funding/manpower.
There, fixed that for you.
 
#17
Is the point is that providing tankers/transports etc to support Italy based jets for Libya takes resources away from the Afghan airbridge?
It read like a whinge that they did not get any jollies to me.
 
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As usual with the Navy/Army/RAF it's all about spin, with the overall aim of promoting their corporate agenda, i.e. securing more funding/manpower.[/QUOTE]

There, fixed that for you.
Re-fixed that for you. Know your place.

However, could you provide some evidence that there's been anywhere near the amount of spin/whining* from the other two services as the nylon-clad cousins?

* delete as appropriate.
 
#19
However, could you provide some evidence that there's been anywhere near the amount of spin/whining* from the other two services as the nylon-clad cousins?
* delete as appropriate.
Seriously? After the SDSR debacle?
 

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