RAF officer sues MoD over pay fault - and wins!!!

#1
Some good news, contact your lawyers now -
A serving RAF officer has successfully sued the Ministry of Defence after computer faults led to thousands of servicemen and women being underpaid.

The squadron leader, who has served in the Forces for more than 20 years, brought the unprecedented legal action after his pay was wrongly cut last June.
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The officer, whom the MoD refused to name, decided to sue after he had spent seven months trying, unsuccessfully, to resolve the problem.

The ministry has now been ordered to repay him the £3,315 he is owed, together with interest and court costs, after a county court judgment was awarded in his favour on January 21.

The move could open the floodgates for claims from thousands more servicemen and women who are locked in pay disputes with the Armed Services' Joint Personnel Administration Centre (JPAC), which is responsible for paying salaries and pensions.

Sources claim that the pay problems have been caused by faults with a new £269 million EDS computer system, which was meant to saved the Armed Forces £600 million over the next 10 years.

Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, could face the ignominy of bailiffs entering the MoD headquarters in Whitehall and confiscating goods equivalent to the amount owed to the officer if the money is not paid.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...FGGAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2008/02/03/nraf103.xml
 
#2
Watch the MoD go into a flat spin about this one! There'll be all sorts directives from the CoC, especially the fat wasters who were obviousyly dined out and blatently bribed by EDS...

Private Eye will have a field day!
 
#3
The down side for this is the payout for the Sqn Ldr's costs will come from the Def Budget I would imagine.

The fact of the Sqn Ldr's case highlights the discrepancy between the MoD's spin on how good the system is compared to the users impression of the reality. The MoD Media dept will again say this is an isolated case while not acknowledging that there is a problem, read the cases in Soldier magazine for other "isolated" cases and postings on this site.

Good on the Sqn Ldr just a shame that it has to come to taking the MoD to court to get your pay.
 
#4
Err, shouldn't is his payout come out of the defence budget then?

Best of luck to those in a similar situation, I can see the adverts in Soldier Mag now. JPA problems, just call us at A2Z Lawyers, no win no fee.
 
#5
Good on him! I personally feel the higher echelons have their head stuck in the sand over JPA. Plus, EDS allways knowingly underbid on contracts and the MOD allways goes for the cheapest bidder.

Excellent news and good on him IMHO!
 
#6
WhiteHorse said:
Err, shouldn't is his payout come out of the defence budget then?

Best of luck to those in a similar situation, I can see the adverts in Soldier Mag now. JPA problems, just call us at A2Z Lawyers, no win no fee.
Er, just like his salary should?

If my employer screwed up my wages for 7 months they'd be getting a snottogram from my lawyers.

"The MoD apologises for this isolated incident caused by an administrative error." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

msr
 
#7
WhiteHorse said:
Err, shouldn't is his payout come out of the defence budget then?

Best of luck to those in a similar situation, I can see the adverts in Soldier Mag now. JPA problems, just call us at A2Z Lawyers, no win no fee.
I'm not entirely sure I have a problem with those sorts of ads. If JPA worked then they wouldn't have a business would they? Perhaps a rash of Toms taking their cases to the small claims court would sort the issues out much faster...after all they've had a few years to iron out these "Teething Problems" haven't they?
 
#8
Sources claim that the pay problems have been caused by faults with a new £269 million EDS computer system, which was meant to saved the Armed Forces £600 million over the next 10 years.
Save £600 million? Probably out of all that money they are not paying out. These faults shuld be paid for by EDS and the muppets who brought this system in.
 
#9
stinker said:
The down side for this is the payout for the Sqn Ldr's costs will come from the Def Budget I would imagine.
If good enough Service Level Agreements (SLAs) have been agreed with EDS/Oracle et al then HMG will be potentially doing quite well out of the failure of these companies to deliver in penalty arrangements.

Of which the serving soldier is unlikely to see a penny.

If however we accepted into service a faulty service and have managed to screw it up by our failure to properly implement the necessary changes (habits, culture, training, problem handling, etc) then the contractor is laughing because more consultants can be thrown at a problem for more cash.

Sadly, that money is likely to come from the defence budget or close to it.

Funny old world, eh?
 
#10
This was always going to happen eventually, why should the MOD be surprised. In any other government department the unions would have leapt on this from the start. Now that the flood gates are open there will be plenty of others no doubt.
 
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#11
WhiteHorse said:
Err, shouldn't is his payout come out of the defence budget then?

Best of luck to those in a similar situation, I can see the adverts in Soldier Mag now. JPA problems, just call us at A2Z Lawyers, no win no fee.
The threat of a "class action" on behalf of all JPA's victims might concentrate a few minds....
 
#14
maninblue,

To my knowledge, I have been affected several times now. And several lads in my unit have been affected by underpayment for nearly 12 months and several errors in inputting data on the system side not their own.

There should be a fast track system to pay the lads what they are owed or at least to keep their head above water. Several lads have asked if there is a process to claim interest on the money owed. On the grounds that if it were invested (as some of the have invested their money) it would have earnt them money by now.

I must admit I grinned at the thought of bailiffs entering the RAO. "Yep, we'll have that stationary, and empty the petty cash. The photocopiers will do too, and (just for shits and giggles) we'll have your berets and stable belts too."
 
#15
It is not difficult to bring a claim in the small claims court. The benefit of doing it yourself is that legal costs are not claimable. To get the ball rolling go into a county court and get a Part 7 Claim form and fill it in. There is nothing to it.
 
#16
All he was after is his back pay, only costs would be the £120.00 small claims court fee, whick he could claim back when winning as well
 
#17
Cracking story, hope the bailiffs get sent in.... :clap:

As outlined in this thread, you can still send your JPA/JPAC tales of woe to:

Sarah.Arnott@incisivemedia.com
 
#19
msr said:
"The MoD apologises for this isolated incident caused by an administrative error." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

msr
Paxman: YYYeeeeeeessssss, Mr MOD Spokesman. Islolated in my dictionary means single or solitary. Do you still support the view that this was an isolated incident despite 70,000 errors occurring. :x

They show there were 50,764 underpayments and 19,546 overpayments between January and November last year.

There were a further 7,589 erroneous payments where the MoD was unable to say whether they were higher or lower than intended.
 
#20
Oh for a return of the old All Arms Clerks and your own RAPC Sqn Pay Sgt (and rose tinted spectacles off).

To be honest I have had no problems with JPA (everything crossed), at least no more problems than I had under the old system, however, I am aware of soldiers in the Regt having some.

My main gripe is the pay statements, Oh how I hate them, and it’s not resistance to change they are just awful in layout and not easy to understand
 

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