RAF Hueys???

#1
I recently read an issue of the Army Air Corps magazine and inside I saw pictures of two Hueys in AAC markings.

The article was about a unit based in Borneo flying Hueys, shown were pictures of ZH815 and ZH816 but can anyone shed any light on to the reason why our armed forces are flying old American helecopters?

Judging by the tail codes (ZH...) these helecopters aren't that old, Typhoons fly with codes ZJ, but why do we need Hueys when we have much more capable Lynxs sitting idly in AAC hangers?
 
#2
Huey's are far better in a Hot atmoshere, they have a bigger blade span, thats why the US marines use them. Lynx's fall out the sky I should know i live next door to Middle Wallop!!!
 
#5
Are we not using some sort of four blade Huey in Cyprus?
 
#6
The Bell 212 is operated in Belize and Brunei on the COMR system - i.e provided and maintained by FB Heliservices and flown by AAC aircrew. The aircraft is much more capable than the Lynx in these theatres due to the role and enviroment. Lynx is not fitted with a winch, which is one of the main advantages of the 212 in a jungle enviroment where we sometimes need to extract casualties from the trees.
Oh, and I think you'll find that Lynx aren't "sat idly in hangars" - the AAC is putting it to good use in every other theatre that the British Army is operating including Iraq and Afghanistan where the crews and their machines are being put to the test every day under extremely difficult conditions. :thumleft:
 
#7
The AAC certainly, upto 1996, were flying Bell (212 i think, might be wrong) with 7 Flt AAC in Brunei. I took more than one trip in them, and remember being petrified, as the main construction material appeared to my untrained eye to be black and nasty and cam string.
 
#8
#9
I served in 7 Flight AAC, 95-97 and these were the cabs we had then. They were leased and repainted in standard grey/green paint.

The twin engine, nvg compatable cockpit and winch meant they were very busy indeed, and I worked harder in Brunei than I did in NI in the early 90s.

The tail numbers were 814, 815 and 816, and they were old indeed by military standards; I seem to remember one of them had 24k flying hours even then.

I also think they were all Italian made, althought my memory is hazy now.
 
#10
" I worked harder in Brunei than I did in NI in the early 90s."

My how times have changed. Brunei was a cushy number in 79-80 when I was there, three Scouts and Two pilots.
I will have some photos when I return from my UK trip in April.
Worked on 205s in Oman and the local airforce still operat them on Operations out here, saw two returning yesterday afternoon.
The single engine Huey lifts more troops then the twin engine 212 and the Allison engine is very reliable.
john
Ah ya never worked on my crew in NI, ya must have been Aldergrove.
 
#11
Jon, I was on Pete's crew, but I think I did a shift on yours when a UT.

Brunei became 24 hour casevac, all troop movements, all stores deliveries, busy hell.

The days of px24ing a few useless scouts and knocking off at 1500hrs were long gone unfortunately. When you cant move many troops, fly at night or winch casualties it sort of follows you will have an easy time of it.
 
#12
Holdswart, ye gods You have suffered. He was ancient when he was at AETW on basics about 26 as a recruit.
I remember a Cfn joining just before I was in dock, Must apologose I can't remember your name.
I always thought the Brit forces missed out by not following the Huey route.
The yanks lost more in Nam then Wastelends have built Helis, yet another Political decsion on par with the Tucarno and SA 80.
Euipment purchased for political expediancey then for the troops requirements.
The Crabs have never helped always wanting the AAC to remain Teenny Weeny Airwats.
john
 
#13
Jon, if I remember correctly you were taken ill for a while in BK?

The Cfn was Jack F.

Any idea what Pete H is doing these days?


I enjoyed my time in Brunei, but any thoughts I had of an early stack followed by sipping G&T's while being fanned downed by bronzed maidens were sadly mistaken... Well all except the G&T's.

Good cabs the 212 though.
 
#14
jonwilly said:
" I worked harder in Brunei than I did in NI in the early 90s."

My how times have changed. Brunei was a cushy number in 79-80 when I was there, three Scouts and Two pilots.
I will have some photos when I return from my UK trip in April.
Worked on 205s in Oman and the local airforce still operat them on Operations out here, saw two returning yesterday afternoon.
The single engine Huey lifts more troops then the twin engine 212 and the Allison engine is very reliable.
john
Ah ya never worked on my crew in NI, ya must have been Aldergrove.
BBR

I served in Brunei at about the same time as yourself and yes, it was extremely busy there with the amount of Casevacs, but really rewarding.

I can remember looking at the ID plates of the AC to see when they were made and recall that one was made in or around '69 and another in 71/72.

I do think that they were American built, but before we got them they were totaly stripped and rebuilt by the mighty Bristows.

Good AC to maintain and relatively easy to fix.
 
#16
No idea what became of Jabba, When I was in Mid East I heard he extended beyond his 22 year point.
The occasional name crops up out here, the Army Avaiation site throughs up names and info from time to time. There used to be a REME BAOR site run by Les Meech but now defunct.
john
 
#18
The Bushranger is the Australian Army version with mini-guns and rockets, which used to belong to the RAAF. They were used in Vietnam and only just recently retired from service, to be replaced by the Eurocopter Tiger in Oz Army service. The 212's spoken about were leased by the DoD for the AAC role. The 212 has a PT6 Twin pack and produces 1800 SHP, the UH-1H has a single T16-13B Engine that produces 1400 SHP, it also has a lower rated transmission and can't lift as much as the 212, contrary to what was written previously. The UH-1H and the 212 both have teetering head rotor systems although the 212 blade system is balistically tollerant and produces more lift. The 412 is a 212 with a 4 bladed semi articulated rotor system, most other systems are the same including the engine, so they can both lift about the same although the 412 is faster in the cruise and more manuverable. Contrary to popular opinion, the UH-1H is not a good aircraft in hot/high conditions. In most cases it can not carry more than about 3 crew and 6 pax at ISA+10, and at ISA + 15 it has very little range or payload. In Vietnam they were grossly overloaded most of the time. Even a 412 with 4 crew and full fuel at ISA+15 cannot hover on one engine.
 
#19
Delighted to hear that the latest versions of the 212 can now outlift the old 205 and the PT6 twinn pack is a long proven design.
I know there are many updates that have been suggested for the 205, but much more money to be made from producing and procuring a more modern design like the Blackhawk.
3 crew and 6 passengers, ah ya just baiting the Lynx jockeys the'd cream over such megga load lifting capabilitys.
And yes I read Chickenhawk 30 years ago, tho I had to wait till I worked on Hueys to know how exactly to make illegal power Boosts, literally the turn of a screw., as on most donkeys.
john
 

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