RAF Flt Lt refusnik in Court

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Saw this last night on the News. 8O

RAF Officer appears over Iraq refusal

Initial view is that the guy has given the 'Officer Corps' a bad name, leading (or not) by poor example :? .
Similar to a recent story about a SNCO refusing to go on ops as his girlfriend had been assaulted and 'needed' him at home.
I doubt if either of them will be able too look their lads in the eyes again.... :?:
 
#2
They should be strung up in the tower for cowardice in the face of the enemy!!!!
 
#3
Was the SNCO a crab as well??
 
#4
Hmm, it would appear from the article that some soft sod thinks that a court martial will take the time to consider the legality of the war itself.
"He maintains his stance and he will maintain his plea of not guilty, on the basis that the war in Iraq was manifestly illegal.

"It is a legal test to seek out a ruling on the jurisprudence of the issue: Was the war legal or not?"
Somebody needs to sit his civvy brief down and make him watch Breaker Morant. (Or at the very least the "Corporal Punishment" episode of Blackadder Goes Forth.)
 
#5
As i understand it, this same bloke has already done 2 tours of the sand pit. Has he just decided now that its an illegal war, or is he just fed up with deploying and adopted a bizzare method of tour dodging!
 
#7
Get rid of him, my personal opinion for what it's worth is that he is at the very least damaging morale of the troops and potential recruitment.

Wonder what his men think of him????

On second thoughts what if all of us thought of a reason not to do our duty :? :? Maybe we are all wrong........Naaaaaahhhhhh!!! Fight and be damned 8)
 
#8
Flt Lt Kendall-Smith's lawyer, Justin Hugheston-Roberts, said the legal argument - which would be heard by a judge before the court martial itself - was not expected to take place before March 2006.
Lot of double-barrelled names here.......perhaps that says something... :wink:
 
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fastmedic said:
Wonder what his men think of him????
Do they have men?
 
#10
Listen guys - he is a doctor. Waltz in with a medical degree straight as a Flt Lt. Sit in the med centre giving out sick chits to sprogs and drinkies in the mess.
 
#11
Ginger Magician, I think the guy is a Medic/Doc so his age (37) doesn't mean anything. those guys are on a different career path following 4/5 years at medical school and post training appointments. So what if he has a double barrelled name?
 
#12
If he felt that strongly about our "illegal war" or what ever he deems it "after studying Lord Goldsmith's legal advice" (a closet lawyer too......), he should have resigned. He should be not making some sort of misguided smart arrse political statement still wearing the uniform. IT IS NOT WHAT WE DO.
 
#13
As I understand a soldier (in any country) has right to ignore illegal orders. What would you do if your general would order to kill his wife?

Personally I think that Iraqi war was illegal. But it is only my private opinion and I believe that from point of view of British law the war was (and is) legal.

This discussion is (as I see) an exception from common rule - don't discuss pending trials on this site. I'm interesting - why?
 
#14
Seems to me that he has been happy to take the cash - 7 days a week / 52 weeks a year - up till now. Shouldn't have joined!
 
#15
Sergey could be right here.

Seen as it's gone to trial, should we be discussing this? An answer please PTP?

As an aside, I agree that he should be discharged. It is not up to him to decide what is and what is not legal.
 
#16
Or maybe he'll be the only one spared when this war is officially declared illegal by the next government and all those who served are charged with war crimes...
 
#17
PTP- As I don't see us talking about the specifics of this case, rather the general status of soldiers and our opinions on what is right and wrong, I don't see why we can't discuss this.

Still, man's a to$$er

edited one time for typing mess
 
#18
[quote="RogueTrooper Lot of double-barrelled names here.......perhaps that says something... :wink:[/quote]

Maybe he's got two dads.....
 
#19
Yes, yes, I know he's a doctor, I know he waltzes in to the RAF at Flt Lt rank, aged 37 - but i couldn't waste a back stabbing opportunity about his age now could I?

I know that crabfat pilots aged 50 in the rank of Flt Lt exist too.....
 
#20
*rant blocks on*

The vast majority of folk who post to the this site took the Queen's Shilling of their own free will - We decided to serve: we were not conscripted nor 'forced' to labour (cack phrase!).

Some here will have PVR'd for their own, personal reasons. Others will have elected to stay and serve and, once discharged, remember their military service in their own style - some with bitterness, some with regret. Most, I would suggest, will remember it positively.

Clumsily, my point is this - WE/YOU/I made those decisions of our own, free will. Mostly, we accepted the Services writ ('Discipline has to be accepted for it to be effective' - ring a bell with anyone?). Conversely, if the individual says, "No, I believe that THATorder/decision/instruction is wrong and I will refuse to comply with it', then so be it.

But, as in all things and particularly a military environment, you justify that decision: not only to your superiors but to your conscience as well.

The good doctor has made HIS decision.

Let hm now justify that decision to his peers.

*rant blocks off*
 
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