RAF Discipline Proceedures

I am currently serving under the RAFs discipline and am rather confused about it.

The confusing thing is they seem to do things so slowly. I was under the impression that if you were getting charged you had to be 'warned for orders' in good time. Here they can wait weeks if not months to let people know. It then makes it difficult to gather any evidence in your defence.

If you are under another services discipline regs are you still entitled to the same rights of a soldier? Are you still supposed to recieve a copy of these and advice on defending yourself?

I am a SNCO and therefore need to be able to advise my soldiers should they fall foul of the discipline system. I am not some mad lefty who thinks that they should all get off but I do believe they should get a fair trial. Thankfully long gone are the days of 'RSM march the guilty bastard in.'

It's been a long time since I was that stupid Pte soldier in trouble every other day I hope someone will be able to give me a overview of how things should work nowadays.
The procedure should be very similar, though with a little less shouting, possibly.

This is what Queen's regulations for the Royal Air Force has to say about how quickly charges should be dealt with:

Chap 15, Sect 1, 1054. General Rules for Investigation. Sponsor:DP&T Discip Pol (RAF)

(1) Every charge against an officer or airman is to be investigated in his presence without delay in accordance with the Pre-Charge Custody and Summary Dealing Regulations 2000 (PCSDRs). In all cases investigated by the RAF Police or where a case is likely to be referred to Higher Authority, a diary of events is to be originated at the outset of the investigation in order to monitor progress and account for any inordinate delay in bringing the accused to trial.

(2) An officer who does not dismiss or summarily dispose of a charge which he investigates, is carefully to avoid expressing any opinion as to the guilt or innocence of the person charged.

(3) COs are to arrange that charges may be heard daily (Sundays, Good Fridays, and Christmas Day normally excepted), and when practicable, in the morning.
My bold.

The catchily-named 'PAM AIR 393 - Guide to the rights of a person arrested for and or charged with an offence under the Air Force Act 1955' should be provided to anyone under RAF discipline and who is charged. The rights are the same. If you have DII you can download it here: http://www.publications.raf.r.mil.uk/live/PAMAir393/PAM%20Air%20393%20(11%2002).pdf . Otherwise, the General Office should have a copy, or you could try the RAF Police (they are likely to have coloured it in, however).

Speak to the Chf Clk; if he/she is part of the problem, I may be able to point you towards someone who can advise, depending on where you are - pm me if you like.
Wow! RAF have discipline.......................I am shocked. More strong tea please!
Wow! RAF have discipline.......................I am shocked. More strong tea please!
Shocking discipline it would appear. I saved this story from some time ago, sorry cant find the link so will have to cut & paste.

A recent report by the Military Justice Audit Team (MJAT) has found that
allegations of "a culture of widespread bastardisation and brutality"
within the British Armed Forces are, in the most part, unfounded. The
audit team, which visited to every Defence establishment across Britain
and interviewed staff from all three services, found surprisingly few
cases of unfair treatment and bullying within the Army and Navy. When it
came to the RAF, however, the report told a different story. Complaints
to the MJAT came from a total of 39760 RAF members, compared with three
from Army and just one from Navy. While this statistic is alarming in
its own right, it becomes horrific when one considers that each
complaint represents a sad story of abuse, mistreatment and neglect. As
one senior RAF officer put it, "Each story is, in itself, a sad
indictment on the Air Force.

When taken as a whole, however, they demonstrate a reprehensible lack of
regard for personnel on the part of RAF managers at all levels." One
young pilot from Coltishall told of having to spend two nights in
military officers’ accommodation, despite the fact that there was an
empty five-star hotel just 10km away. Another said that he had been
forced to endure a gruelling 2.4km run every year since he joined in
1997. One airwoman alleged that she had been overlooked for promotion on
numerous occasions, simply because she was fat, lazy and stupid. An
aircraftsman from Odiham stated he had been refused permission to wear
civilian attire to work, despite the fact that his uniform clashed with
his eye colour. Another had been forced to wear uncomfortable safety
boots for periods of up to eight hours straight. A number of personnel
complained of having to attend courses that were not relevant to their
jobs, such as rigorous ground combat courses and drawn-out lectures on
occupational health and safety. To add insult to injury, a young
corporal was even ordered to pack up chairs in the classroom after one
such course.

Thankyou VB I shall look that stuff up. It does seem that I will need the info frequently. Idiot juniors! I know we've all been there but was I really that niave/stupid/crazy???

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