RAF bomber shot down in 1953

#1
I know this would probably be better off on EGoat, but I recently had an interesting conversation with an ex crab about a RAF bomber shot down over EAST Germany in 1953 by a couple of MIGs. Apparently no one survived and the official Russian line at the time was that all the parachutes failed on the aircrew when they baled out. A coflicting report had the Migs shooting the parachutists as they drifted down. Anyone else out there remember or hear about this?
 
#2
Showing how little I know: what was an RAF bomber doing over East Germany? Surely with "relations" as they were you wouldn't want to fly something over Soviet territory unless it was at very very high altitude. Given that the crew wouldn't bale - or at least deploy parachutes immediately due to altitude.
Apologies for lack of coherence - friday night drinking
 
#3
It was also unarmed and the official line was that the pilot had miscalculated the wind drift and had veered off course
 
#4
Private_Pike said:
It was also unarmed and the official line was that the pilot had miscalculated the wind drift and had veered off course
Thank you. Suppose in those days the Ruskies didn't need to be sneaky beaky with radioactive substances :p
Will be very interested in replies from people "in the know"
 
#5
50 years are up as well - but it is the first I have heard from that - it would certainly have caused a bit of an alarm...
 
#9
Two days later, an RAF Avro Lincoln (serial RF531) of the Central Gunnery School was shot down in the Berlin Corridor, again by MiG-15s; seven crew lost their lives.


I live just up the road from Leconfield so was interested when it came up in another book "Ariel Espionage"
 
#10
Polar, Ibelieve that's the one I was told about. The pilot is buried in the cemetry there. The only one returned AFIK.
 
#12
There's more info available at

http://www.spyflight.co.uk/linc.htm

There are - as might be expected - rumours and suggestions that there was a bit more to the flight than just fighter affiliation (perhaps trying to provoke a Soviet AD reaction to see their response time, in the not unreasonable expectation that the Sovs wouldn't open fire), but nothing has ever been conclusively proven (again, as might be expected).
 
#13
Years ago I knew a Crab, Radio mech who told me that when in Cyprus the PR Canberra's they had did secret missions to, well no one KNEW.
They stopped the day Garry Powers was shot down.
john
 
#15
Vaughany said:
What, did we get spooked because it proved that soviet missile systems work in high level engagements?
If when you say 'spooked' you mean that various overflights became unviable because the threat was too high then yes.

You make it sound like a load of pikey ponies bolting across a council estate.
 
#16
jonwilly said:
Years ago I knew a Crab, Radio mech who told me that when in Cyprus the PR Canberra's they had did secret missions to, well no one KNEW.
They stopped the day Garry Powers was shot down.
john
didnt the Syrians shoot down a Canberra just before suez?
 
#17
jonwilly said:
Years ago I knew a Crab, Radio mech who told me that when in Cyprus the PR Canberra's they had did secret missions to, well no one KNEW.
They stopped the day Garry Powers was shot down.
john
There was a documentary about (I think) the Gary Powers incident (might have been about the Canberra though). It was mentioned in passing that, at one time, Canberras were regularly carrying out intelligence overflights of Warsaw Pact territories. The Soviets had commented at the time that they would eventually "........turn your Canberras into flying coffins". The Soviets were doing something similar.

Missile technology made it too risky and satellites made it unnecessary.

PS Mentioned here;


Khrushchev's Bluster:[/b] Following the air show and a reception hosted by Soviet Defense Minister Marshal G. K. Zhukov, the Soviet Politburo members who attended the reception, led by party chairman Nikita Khrushchev, took the leaders of the US, British, and French delegations to a park and sat them down at a picnic table. Khrushchev then launched into a protracted toast "in defense of peace." In the midst of his toast, he turned to General Twining and said, "Today we showed you our aircraft. But would you like to have a look at our missiles? "Yes," the General responded. "Well, we will not show them to you," replied Khrushchev. "First show us your aircraft and stop sending intruders into our airspace. We will shoot down uninvited guests. We will get all of your Canberras [RB-57 long-range reconnaissance aircraft]. They are flying coffins."
 

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