Radio Ops Trade Course

#2
9 days me thinks, but with the "new" kit that's came in it could well be 2 weeks.
 
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#3
I did my B3 DVR/RADOP course back in 2000, it was a 2 week course. The Radio User course (if I remember right) was only one week. The main difference being the User course is just that, Voice Procedure, BATCO (if they still use that in TA) etc whereas the B3 course covers all that plus how to set up an FFR, different ways of rigging the batteries, putting up masts, different setups on FFR and in Tent, HF/VHF etc. I was digging through some old boxes and found all my training notes last month!!!

When I went on it we went up on Saturday and came back on the Friday (2 weeks later).

Good luck
stab
 
#4
stabradop said:
I did my B3 DVR/RADOP course back in 2000, it was a 2 week course. The Radio User course (if I remember right) was only one week. The main difference being the User course is just that, Voice Procedure, BATCO (if they still use that in TA) etc whereas the B3 course covers all that plus how to set up an FFR, different ways of rigging the batteries, putting up masts, different setups on FFR and in Tent, HF/VHF etc. I was digging through some old boxes and found all my training notes last month!!!

When I went on it we went up on Saturday and came back on the Friday (2 weeks later).

Good luck
stab
yeah that's right 2 weeks in total,VP,BATCO,BATTERIES,HOW TO PACK A TRAILER,PUTTING UP AN 8M MAST,IN AS FAST A TIME AS YOU CAN,I DID IT AT THE ARSE END OF THE FOOT AND MOUTH SCARE,ONLY JUST GOT OUT TO DO THE NAV EX-SENDING AND RECIEVING MESSAGES,NIGHT EXERCISE-QUALITY TRAINING,GOOD CROWD.RECOMMEND IT.
 
#5
northernireland said:
Can anyone tell me how long the class 3 radio ops course. I am not sure if its a 2 week course or a 9 day course (sat-sun).

Cheers
Which course do you mean the 2brigade course or the driver/ rad op course, im presuming your in 40 sigs if so i believe the next course is nine days, i'll check tommorow.
 
#7
There's one happening with 33, 34, 35 coming up very soon, will cover things from a ptarmigan trunk/access node and rebro points of view though.
 
#8
TA_sig said:
There's one happening with 33, 34, 35 coming up very soon, will cover things from a ptarmigan trunk/access node and rebro points of view though.




Which makes it an Area Systems Operator course rather than Radio Op......



Assuming you are 40SR then you need a 2 Sig Bde Trade Course. The next, as already indicated, is in Edinburgh in November. They are every 3 months and are 9 days long - weekend to weekend.
 
#9
royal_corps_offr said:
Which makes it an Area Systems Operator course rather than Radio Op......
No, they cover those things as part of the Rad Op (Basic)(V) course, its enriching knowledge. 33-35 Sigs Regts deliver good courses, although they are aimed at 12 Sig Grp forming a composite Ptarmigan regt not IRs.

The points about 2 week rad op course, the RSigs 'delivers' this in about 4 days in 2 Sig Bde and then uses the remaining 5 days to teach out of date JMH and withdrawn systems. (At least its better than training people on kit the regulars no longer use like 33-35 Sigs Regt)
 
#11
Kossor, non wulf Landrovers.

msr
 
#13
LeBuzzer said:
royal_corps_offr said:
Which makes it an Area Systems Operator course rather than Radio Op......
No, they cover those things as part of the Rad Op (Basic)(V) course, its enriching knowledge. 33-35 Sigs Regts deliver good courses, although they are aimed at 12 Sig Grp forming a composite Ptarmigan regt not IRs.

The points about 2 week rad op course, the RSigs 'delivers' this in about 4 days in 2 Sig Bde and then uses the remaining 5 days to teach out of date JMH and withdrawn systems. (At least its better than training people on kit the regulars no longer use like 33-35 Sigs Regt)
Thanks for correcting our senior, LeBuzzer. The main kit taught is the 353, 321 and ptarmigan bits that can be plugged in if required. Is it all that far out of date? It certainly looks it. Thing is, as mentioned by PotYos in another thread:
[quote ="PotYos"]I would imagine its same detail for Op tours etc. Kit used by your regiment is not bound to be the same as the kit you're parent unit use. The idea being that you as a 'competent operator' have learnt the principals of comms and just need to be taught the particular nuances of any given piece of equipment you may encounter in your career.[/quote]
It will be nice when we get given some new toys though (probably just manpacks cowboyed into the det)! Will have to wait and see what Santa brings this year.

Still, it stands to reason a 2 Sig Bde operator would suit a 2 Sig course, otherwise they'd have all been melded together long ago...
 
#14
TA_sig said:
The main kit taught is the 353, 321 and ptarmigan bits that can be plugged in if required. Is it all that far out of date?
No it isn't and the training is good (considerably longer than 2 Sig Bde ICS Ops courses) but it is specific to one role.
You train to do Radio(Clansman/Ptarmigan) and a regular would expect u to do Radio(Bowman), Commcen & Information Systems.
In 2 Sig Bde you'd be trained to to Radio(commercial plus very little clanslman) & Commcen but once trained you'd also need to use Info Sys skills (note this isn't taught). We still put emphasis on Commcen, some still teach a lot of irrelevant TARE subjects from ACP127 - although a modern email replacement pam doesn't exist.
 
#15
LeBuzzer said:
No, they cover those things as part of the Rad Op (Basic)(V) course, its enriching knowledge. 33-35 Sigs Regts deliver good courses, although they are aimed at 12 Sig Grp forming a composite Ptarmigan regt not IRs.



………………the RSigs 'delivers' this in about 4 days in 2 Sig Bde and then uses the remaining 5 days to teach out of date JMH and withdrawn systems. (At least its better than training people on kit the regulars no longer use like 33-35 Sigs Regt)


I stand corrected but then that’s the useful bit about this website you can learn an awful lot about what is going on around the army/corps etc. TA_sig is however quite right:

[quote ="TA_sig"]I would imagine its same detail for Op tours etc. Kit used by your regiment is not bound to be the same as the kit you're parent unit use. The idea being that you as a 'competent operator' have learnt the principals of comms and just need to be taught the particular nuances of any given piece of equipment you may encounter in your career.

It will be nice when we get given some new toys though (probably just manpacks cowboyed into the det)! Will have to wait and see what Santa brings this year.

Still, it stands to reason a 2 Sig Bde operator would suit a 2 Sig course, otherwise they'd have all been melded together long ago... [/quote]



As an educational site you might be interested to know what is happening in 2 Sig Bde.



Firstly, and contrary to popular belief, 2 Sig Bde no longer teach out of date and withdrawn equipment. NCRS which I think you are referring to hasn’t been taught this year and is being and in some places has already been withdrawn. I think we can now safely say that it is inappropriate to continue referring to it as a component of 2 Sig Bde other than in a historical context. AMCERPS goes very very soon.



Once these two systems are gone the majority of what 2 Sig Bde will hold will be less that 5 years old. It may not come in green boxes, or be ruggerdised, but that does not reduce either the importance of the eqpt against its role nor the job or the skills of the operators. 2 Sig Bde units have access to a plethora of IT, networking, satellite, voice and data systems (all of which is held by Bde units) and examples and comparable equipment to their holdings are in use on ops. In training, specialist courses in Network administration, IT/IS etc (many civilian) are available to (and funded) for operators as these are key core (to role) skills.



In less than 12 months 2 Sig Bde will have received its Bowman (although TA_sig is right in that it may be manpacks bolted into a vehicle but this is currently the subject of an UOR for proper fits). They will be the first in the whole TA to be trained on it. Why? well after the initial training surge, 2 Sig Bde will be responsible in 'steady state' training to deliver Bowman training to the rest of the TA, incl 33, 34 & 35SR's!.




As for JMH, well this is giving way to EWP and AWOW. LAND have accepted that 2 Sig Bde are more advanced on this than anyone else (J6 - Sep 06). Indeed it was used with great success on the recent FTX ! JMH will remain a subject for as long as the Corps is required to provide formal messaging notwithstanding email etc - principally as email is not always available everywhere we deploy! (and anyway it is still taught for 12 Sig Gp trunk messaging as well as you still find trends and secure faxes in messaging centres)



I should also comment, and I wish others would accept, that 2 Sig Bde and 12 Sig Gp have very very different primary roles (one is the component and the other is a contingent component), get trained and equipped for them both differently but as appropriate to their roles, neither have the most up to date eqpt compared to their regular cousins but both still bring very valuable skills as augmentees and that both are versitile and flexible operatives and tradesman able to turn their hand to most things. At the end of the day is that not what we are after? Exactly what TA_sig emphasised. As someone from 11 Sig Bde I see considerable value in both – both are evolving organisations and a bit of general updating doesn’t go amiss – I submit!
 
#16
Has anyone else's page messed up? I hate it when that happens.

If an operator in either brigade happens to have a bit of spare time are there Bowman user/trainer courses that they could attend in order to get a head start and be of further use to their regiments at the correct time? An outgoing OC mentioned that some 11Bde units may well be getting toys sooner than R_C_OF suggests... Although I expect RC know's a bit more about what is happening.

It's all a bit academic anyway since a fair portion of 33/34/35 (and maybe some 2NC?) will be heading out to Balkans anyway, and those coming back may well sign off (seems to be a trend, don't know why, or for definate) or make themselves scarce for a while. By the time that's over hopefully a lot of them will be up to date on the latest toys.
 
#17
TA_sig said:
Has anyone else's page messed up? I hate it when that happens.

If an operator in either brigade happens to have a bit of spare time are there Bowman user/trainer courses that they could attend in order to get a head start and be of further use to their regiments at the correct time?
Yes thanks for creating page 2!

Possibly, you should be able to get loaded onto a regular course. Bear in mind the TA BOWTAG teams are coming from 2 Sig Bde regts.

When rco mentioned AMSCERP being withdrawn, this kit is based on a standard 'ptarmigan' PC, which indirectly replaced COSSORs.
 
#19
polar69 said:
Ptarmigan PC ?


wossat ?
IARRCIS it looks like an AMSCERPS terminal
 
#20
Ptarmigan PC ?


Most Ptarmigan units have a PC in the NC that plugs into the modem, makes reports and returns to the boss quicker than the kosser.
 

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