Radio 4 - "What do you think of BOWMAN"

#2
Yes, I have referres them to the Media people at the MOD.

A pretty low attempt at getting something sensational and a reminder to us all about OPSEC.
 
#6
Be patient my padawan...

We are contacting a number of contributors to the arrse website because we are currently investigating concerns about equipment and vehicles supplied to front line troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is for a forty-minute current affairs programme (File on 4) to be transmitted on BBC Radio 4 next month. (An earlier programme of ours in 2003 drew attention to this issue of failures to provide kit.)
We are keen to find out in more details about concerns over the Bowman radios, how well they work and what the repair facilities are in theatre.
Anyone familiar with our programme will know that we are skilled at maintaining the anonymity of our contacts.
If you feel you can contribute any information on this please let me know.
Ian Muir-Cochrane (BBC File on 4) mailto:ian.muir.cochrane@bbc.co.uk


Thats the fella
 
#10
mushroom said:
Yes, I have referres them to the Media people at the MOD.

A pretty low attempt at getting something sensational and a reminder to us all about OPSEC.
Not so, file on 4 is a very reputable investigative programe that has fcuked up many a Govt scam. The MOD will be VERY wary about this one, its quite delightful that a few ARRSE threads could lead to some sleazy characters being nicked. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Won't sort the immediate problem out but at least Swiss Des will be alerted now to what BOWMAN actually is.
 
#11
This approach by the BBC is not something that I would have expected from a supposed pillar of British society. All it does is encourage ill informed comment from people who quite often want to cause trouble. Equipment will never be perfect and we will never have enough of it because we are human and want more of everything. Bowman from my experience is way better than Clansman and does what it says on the can.

More importantly commenting in public on things like this puts lives at risks.

I think everyone should ignore this approach and tell the BBC where they can put an antenna.
 
#12
nickkath said:
This approach by the BBC is not something that I would have expected from a supposed pillar of British society. All it does is encourage ill informed comment from people who quite often want to cause trouble. Equipment will never be perfect and we will never have enough of it because we are human and want more of everything. Bowman from my experience is way better than Clansman and does what it says on the can.

More importantly commenting in public on things like this puts lives at risks.

I think everyone should ignore this approach and tell the BBC where they can put an antenna.
Yes Minister.


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#13
nickkath said:
This approach by the BBC is not something that I would have expected from a supposed pillar of British society. All it does is encourage ill informed comment from people who quite often want to cause trouble. Equipment will never be perfect and we will never have enough of it because we are human and want more of everything. Bowman from my experience is way better than Clansman and does what it says on the can.

More importantly commenting in public on things like this puts lives at risks.

I think everyone should ignore this approach and tell the BBC where they can put an antenna.
Interesting 1st post and obviously close to your heart to get over a year of lurking. Perhaps they're just intending to investigate something that has been publicly trashed by various serving people in these fora and in the general and defence media? I don't hold much with the BBC generally but how else are they supposed to get in contact discretely with people who may know something more than is being spouted by the MOD spokesmen? And who knows, it may spark some interest is sorting out the problems.

Having said all that, I wouldn't touch this with yours. But perhaps if you think Bowman is good you should put yourself forward to say so.
 
#14
nickkath said:
This approach by the BBC is not something that I would have expected from a supposed pillar of British society. All it does is encourage ill informed comment from people who quite often want to cause trouble. Equipment will never be perfect and we will never have enough of it because we are human and want more of everything. Bowman from my experience is way better than Clansman and does what it says on the can.
More importantly commenting in public on things like this puts lives at risks.

I think everyone should ignore this approach and tell the BBC where they can put an antenna.
Does it say 'Batteries may catch fire when wet'? (allegedly) 8)

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#15
nickkath said:
This approach by the BBC is not something that I would have expected from a supposed pillar of British society.
Investigating major Government fiascos is their job nickkath, just as covering them up is employment for other people.

nickkath said:
All it does is encourage ill informed comment from people who quite often want to cause trouble.
Really, as ill informed as the service personnel who have come very close to being killed by this alleged system?

nickkath said:
Equipment will never be perfect and we will never have enough of it because we are human and want more of everything. Bowman from my experience is way better than Clansman and does what it says on the can.
Glad to hear you are operationally deployed nickkath, I would hate to think that your BOWMAN experience was in the UK, which sandy place are you in?

nickkath said:
More importantly commenting in public on things like this puts lives at risks.
This is a contemptible statement, reminiscent of the worst excesses of Government arrogance towards serving personnel in the field.

OPSEC is never breached by ARRSE or such BBC programmes, the problems of BOWMAN are known all over the world precisely because it does not work. If anything this programme may shame the MOD to actually look at the problem.

nickkath said:
I think everyone should ignore this approach and tell the BBC where they can put an antenna.
Or maybe they should act on it as the CoC seems incapable and the so called equipment is not only a scandalous abuse of public funds but a positive boon to the enemies of this Country.

Antennas tuning into the BBC radio 4 'File on 4' special on BOWMAN - I cannot wait it will be a corker!
 
#16
nickkath said:
This approach by the BBC is not something that I would have expected from a supposed pillar of British society. All it does is encourage ill informed comment from people who quite often want to cause trouble. Equipment will never be perfect and we will never have enough of it because we are human and want more of everything. Bowman from my experience is way better than Clansman and does what it says on the can.

More importantly commenting in public on things like this puts lives at risks.

I think everyone should ignore this approach and tell the BBC where they can put an antenna.
ARRSE is used regularly by the media as a source of opinion at the grass roots. This is, I think, the first time that an approach has been made by pm - the usual way is that the journalist/researcher/producer contacts the site owners or PTP as mod, their bona fides are verified and the request then posted. The other usual way, as practised by The Scum and other bog-roll tabloids, is to register and pretend to be other than a journo, get discovered very quickly, then make up the story.

However, if the approach is unorthodox it is not dangerous; anyone who doesn't want to contribute can just delete the pm.

If you heard Lord Garden's contribution to last Saturday's Inside Politics programme on Radio 4 you will know why ARRSE is considered a serious source of opinion by the media, including C4 News, BBC News, The Times, The Sunday Times, The Daily Telegraph, Today, Dispatches, The Scotsman, The Herald and The Guardian.

A couple of journalists, Mick Smith and Audrey Gillan, are ARRSE members and contribute to discussions - you could always ask them.
 
#17
Armchair jihad, I hope you aren't one of those trouble makers that nickath was referring to. Have to say we had several one post wonders on the Hercthread, they were often up to no good. Easy to spot though, maiden post you see?
 
#19
nigegilb said:
Armchair jihad, I hope you aren't one of those trouble makers that nickath was referring to. Have to say we had several one post wonders on the Hercthread, they were often up to no good. Easy to spot though, maiden post you see?
Good Lord! Make trouble? Me? Heavens Forbid!

and as to the one post wonders on the Herc thread, those would be the ones pointing out that no Hercs have ever crashed eh? Do you know that people at the MOD are actually paid to surf ARRSE all day attempting spoilers when ordered?

I do it for free :D
 

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