RADC to become a tradeless corps

#1
So it appears that the RADC is to become a tradeless corps offering no professional growth for NCOs with only dental nurses/clerks and dental officers.

That will do wonders for retention but when did the COC in the RADC ever give a rubber bunny's cock about anything except their own ivory tower building?

It's just like Don Jack never died but lives on to stab the boys and girls firmly in the chest as well as the back.
 

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#5
Why do you need dental hygienists in uniform? Would it not be cheaper to use civi employed personnel to provide the service, are they ever deployed on Ops?


 

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#9
Also if they are military they are a bit more versatile. Don't RADC have an alternative medical role in the event of it all going to sh1t
Yet to find a dental centre that didn't work 0800-1600 working week only. How versatile do you need to be for a hygienist?

Were I am getting is serious decisions need to be made about the single biggest cost the to Defence budget, that is manpower. Why employ dental hygienists, if they only work in static low risk environments then you could argue employing civilians at a lower cost base.

I suspect that you could even see similar trades to DH becoming "Home Service" only and remain uniformed but without the X-Factor and the same level of allowances.

Just a thought.
 
#10
Were I am getting is serious decisions need to be made about the single biggest cost the to Defence budget, that is manpower. Why employ dental hygienists, if they only work in static low risk environments then you could argue employing civilians at a lower cost base.

I suspect that you could even see similar trades to DH becoming "Home Service" only and remain uniformed but without the X-Factor and the same level of allowances.

Just a thought.
That's the a big portion of the RAF and RN manpower costs slashed then. Not singing shanties and getting bummed = no X factor. RAF = no X factor.
 
#12
Why do you need dental hygienists in uniform? Would it not be cheaper to use civi employed personnel to provide the service, are they ever deployed on Ops?


I'm sure civilian ones are fine in the UK but they cannot be deployed and command high fees in civvie street. At my local practice they charge £30 per visit! It would follow from that, that certainly in a training establishment where the throughput might be expected to be high you would be paying far more for a civilian than you would an A1 Corporal or Sergeant.

I should imagine there is a complete dental set up in Bastion but usually on short ops the dentist's main area of expertese is maxillo Facial injuries although they would be seeing emergency dental cases a lot as well.
 
#14
Hahaha

But seriously why do we need uniformed DH?
Because they are the only half attractive women the Army has ever managed to recruit as a cadre.

On a more serious note it is the loss of the Dental Technician/Maxillo Facial Technician trade that is the greatest danger.
 
#16
You expecting him to break with tradition then?
For the first time in history MiT and I are in agreement.

No senior AMS leader ever does a thing to protect the future of the NCOs, they are all disposable and can be contracted out to civilians because there won't be a deployable requirement will there?

Then gin and medals for the Brigadiers.
 
#17
But seriously why do we need uniformed DH?
TBH we could probably civilianise the whole RADC, but when we needed a deployed dentist it would cost a small fortune to convince a team of civvies to do it. Likewise they all command big salaries in civ div, so any manpower savings could just appear in another budget.
 

seaweed

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#20
I'm sure civilian ones are fine in the UK but they cannot be deployed and command high fees in civvie street. At my local practice they charge £30 per visit! It would follow from that, that certainly in a training establishment where the throughput might be expected to be high you would be paying far more for a civilian than you would an A1 Corporal or Sergeant.

I should imagine there is a complete dental set up in Bastion but usually on short ops the dentist's main area of expertese is maxillo Facial injuries although they would be seeing emergency dental cases a lot as well.
I think the civilian DH's are often self-employed and so their hourly charge rate may include all those capitation elements ignored when comparing against straight Army pay. The total cost of employing a soldier exceeds this considerably.

Also is not very serious maxillo-facial work to be covered by flying the victim home and treating him here?

It would be interesting to know how many deployed RN ships have dental surgeries? and hence how many dental staff are actually serving at sea at any time (yes I know they help the doc when things get rough). In the last ship I was in the fang boatswain (how he hated that appelation) was so under-employed he doubled as 1 in 3 flight deck officer and as a shallow-water diver. He also managed to kill a rat with a hockey stick but that's another story.
 

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