Race inquiry into lecturer, "blacks are less intelligent"

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  1. This is a hard one to quantify. On the one hand, it could be said that his views are racially devisive and are bound to cloud his judgement/treatment of students or colleagues. On the other, it could be said that it is self evident that the almost infinite variability of the human race is bound to infer some genetic advantages/disadvantages to certain groups/races.

    Is it right to automatically acuse him of being racist and demand his job, or should we instead investigate his claims and either refute them or back them up dependent on the strangth of his argument and evidence?

    I notice that the student union (a bastion of radical socialism and 'multiculturalism') have waded in demanding his resignation without even attempting to counter argue his claims.

    I personally believe that his claims may have some basis in truth (not that all foreigners are idiots, or one group is more inteligen than others, just that there are bound to be variations between groups), but would prefer to see definitive proof before i was 100% certain.

  2. Cannot see the the problem, what they lack up top they supposably make up for below, plus white men can't jump and how many white sprinters do you see in the Olympic finals, the old saying 2 out 3 ain't bad :wink:
  3. If it is just his opinion, then he is entitled to it. However, he must have known what the effects of this would be, and kept his gob shut.

    Now, if there was a study, or some kind of evidence, it would be different...
  4. That is not just some guys point of view. There was a study by Eysenck conducted in America, who found that there was a correlation between skin colour and IQ.
  5. Don't suppose you have a link?
  6. A_S, I think it if was just about the science this would be a different issue. We in the States have been monkeyfcuking the "Bell Curve" football for years now, and no empirical data has been produced to resolve the discussion one way or the other. But this seems to be about a context of his views as well (affiliation, espousing political views, etc).

    I will say that if this guy was MY lecturer, I would object vociferously to someone who may believe I am inherently less intelligent, moral, etc. because of my ethnicity grading my work or participation. It's not my responsibility to prove him wrong somehow with my performance, it's his to give an objective grade based on standards endorsed by the institution in question, which is what he's being paid for. He is not being paid to exercise his "free speech" rights, or do anything other than teach Russian lit. This may interfere with his effectiveness, and they have no obligation to provide him with a salary if he can't do his job.

    We just went through something similar at my uni where I am attending as an old broad (the charge was anti-American bias, and no, I didn't file it :) ) but the guy barely hung onto his job based on statements HE made about his beliefs at the tribunal. It was a case of "enough rope," and this one might be too.
  7. Does that mean that us of the whiter shade of pale variety can provide inferior sex but have one hell of an intelligent discussion afterwards?
  8. Link here

    This link seems to dispel his points as Scientific racism, something I would happen to agree with.
  9. I read about it a few years ago in a serious psychology book , as in not self help crap, called Psychologists on Psychology by Cohen. It is a collection of interviews with Psychologists, and in an interview with Erikson, they discuss Eysncks findings.

    Heres a link http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/eysenck.shtml

    But it just mentions the nature of his study, not the details.
  10. You may.......but I certainly don't :wink:
  11. You have to consider why these findings appeared. This finding may not be grounded in genetics, it could be social; a result of the raceism that exists/ existed at the time; people may not have had asperations to study, as they would be barred from good jobs due to colour etc; they may not have recieved as much attention is school as the white kids.

    So, its not raceism, he may have highlighted a very salient point. That highlights areas that need to be improved on.
  12. I don't know if there is a link between IQ and 'skin colour' per se.

    However, I am sure there are studies that show that as a group average (ie there are always members who will be above and members who will be below the average) afro-caribeans do less well than caucasians in IQ tests. However, there are a number of 'explanations' (take them as you will) on what causes this. They range from the claim that educational institutions are racist and fail the black community, the link between social deprevation and lower academic performance, through to the claim that IQ tests are mainly based on caucasian/western knowledge which leaves other minorities at a disadvantage.
  13. I don't know about his work on race, but Eysenck is a proper psychologist, we did his personality inventory at college, hes part of the National Curriculum :D
  14. I'm with TY here.

    If I knew one of my lecturers had preconceived ideas with regard to the intelligence of his/her students then I'd want them to be sacked. He is entitled to his opinions, but it was a pretty stupid thing to say that black students are less intelligent.

    I suppose the university would have to look back at the marks he has given to students' work. I'm not studying for a literature type degree, but I'm pretty sure that essays those sort of students have to write are marked by at least two people, so you should be able to see some bias, if any, in the marks Dr Ellis has given.
  15. And here's a link to a paper by a Harvard researcher in cognitive neuroscience that takes what I feel is a fairly balanced look at the whole genetic intelligence discussion (both for and against) that covers The Bell Curve, Eysenck and others. It's long and slow but interesting if you're into that.

    I did note that he refers to an APA panel endorsing the main views in TBC in his bibliography. But he does not cite an actual print source or any names, which is surprising for a Haavaahd man, and I had never heard of that before. If I can find a source I'll post it as well, in the name of good research. :)