Rabbis call for the removal of Catholic church at Auschwitz.

Sixty

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Them Neanderthals were lucky buggers, though.
An easy life, and no explaining to the missus "Look that woolly mammoth was giving me come hither eyes"
 
As I see it the long and short of this thread is this:
After centuries of having been over run by Russians and Germans and being told what to do, along comes some gobby Yank trying to tell a staunchly catholic Poland what to do with a catholic church on their own turf.
Dear Rabbi Weis, please re-arrange to form friendly greeting:
F**k die off and.
Oh and should you ever visit Poland (heaven forbid) change your name to White, the locals have a pronounced allergy to shouty German sounding people.
 
As with any of this hoo-hah, I like to stop and think “what would my grandfathers have made of this?”.
Both fought through WW2. One had most of his family murdered by the USSR.
I think both might say: “never mind, drink up, it’s your round.”
 
All this proves is that there are religious bigots and extremists in all faiths. The big mistake is giving them the publicity they so desperately desire.

Just ignore them.....I just said that on the ARRSE, didn't I.
 

Awol

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As the OP of this increasingly contentious thread could I humbly offer this...


..... to those who are sinking into the bottomless and ultimately pointless pit that is religious debate.

For anyone else, does anyone know who actually owns the site of Auschwitz? Has it it been gifted to Israel or is it still Polish territory? Google won't say.
 
Some people, especially among the militant atheist crowd, don't like Catholics. They follow a backwards religion and hold back progress, apparently. Catholics are a thorn in the side of great leaders who wish to 'educate' the masses and lead us to a Utopia that must be built on the mass graves of the innocent.

Fear not, we're all free of religion and conscience now. We are free to consume, conform and have our morality dictated to us by corporations and enforced by 'progressive' Twitter mobs.
Keep your Christianity private, locked behind closed doors, instead of excercising your right to express an opinion openly.

Trust your militant atheists. They're more scientific, rational and smarter than Catholics, even though most of them can't do basic ******* calculus or transposition of formulae.
 

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As an indeterminate-generation survivor of the Tudor regime, I'm entitled.
The persecutions and battles that happened ~500 years ago were traumatic, and I'm seeking counselling and compo for emotional damages.
I've also got PTSD and Aspergers, and can generate prescription forms to prove it.

Might get on the ringer to Claims Direct later.
Lightweight, I still suffer from thinking what happened here during the Roman invasion

Oi Italy, where's my compo?
 
A quarter of Holocaust victims were kids.
1,500,000 children murdered. not by NAZI's, by GERMANS, Ukrainian guards, local militia, and their own former neighbours. My mother many years ago had to go to berlin on business, passing a cemetery she started clapping and cheering, plod were called, as she explained " Dead Germans I love it" She was escorted out of Germany. Mum lost most of her extended family to the GERMANS during the war.
 

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Okay, I'll give it a try. Collectively speaking, we don't care about race or whatever immutable differences we might have. We are all God's children.
It follows that all the atrocities committed in the name of communism and Nazism were crimes against humanity. Not crimes against Jews, gays, Catholics or dissidents, but against humanity itself. Nobody is safe when the state becomes psychotic. Communism (at least in practice) and Nazism were both two sides of the same thing, based on the same evil.

This, my friends, is what idolatry leads to. The worship of something man-made (state, ideology and political figure) in place of God. It's an inevitability of human nature.

Could the same thing happen again? Yes, very easily. Today's idolatry is worship of 'The Market' and of 'AI', and we risk deferring our judgement and free will to those false gods. The result of that could be horrific.

Protesting over which kind of religious building should be there, and whining over who did what, misses the point entirely.



The rest of the world should be arsed about it, and you should care. If you put your morality, conscience and principles before following orders, you'd better be prepared to suffer for it.
Gave a dumb, not because of you sentiment about Nazism and Communism, of which both had horrific consequences, but for your comments about idolatry: plenty of people have acted equally as badly in the name of their brand of sky pixie.

You call the 'Market' and 'AI' false gods. They are neither false, nor gods. They are very real. But sky pixes are not real; to fight wars over some made up shit is even more of a folly than for any tangible reason.
 
And these assertions are based on what, exactly? Surely not the unprecedented massacres, industrial-scale cruelty, widespread sadism and large-scale conflicts of the 20th century. That was the price humanity paid for thinking ideology was more valuable than human life and salvation. We collectively rendered ourselves expendable in the cause of a man-made Utopia that never materialised.

The tired claim that religion is child abuse is ridiculous, unless you're trying to argue that any attempt to raise a child within a culture, or within any community, is also child abuse.
Good that you clarify for us here that you believe (incredibly) that the only ideology interested in human life is that of the god botherers or worse still, only your own particular band of idol botherers.

The fact is that if secular humanity had not, over the course of hundreds of years, instituted emancipation from the corrupt insanity of theocracy, you and your church and your fellow believers would now be lynching / executing / burning / torturing / excommunicating everyone on this thread who has called out your bull shit.
Remember Galileo? - you and your ilk will never be able to erase the shame of your church's corruption and lust for power and just, haha, being so pig-ignorant about the sun and the earth.
 
Hold the photo in your memory, stop and stare into her eyes for a few moments, what do you see, abject terror, an incomprehensible realisation that there is no way out, only a horrible long drawn out lingering death, gasping for breath, surrounded by screams and hands clawing at her body, fighting to get out. Germany should have been nuked out of existence.
The Nuremberg trials handed out soft sentences, those bastards should have suffered the same fate, naked, starving, and slowly gassed to death............ Hammurabi's law.
 
Good that you clarify for us here that you believe (incredibly) that the only ideology interested in human life is that of the god botherers or worse still, only your own particular band of idol botherers.

The fact is that if secular humanity had not, over the course of hundreds of years, instituted emancipation from the corrupt insanity of theocracy, you and your church and your fellow believers would now be lynching / executing / burning / torturing / excommunicating everyone on this thread who has called out your bull shit.
Remember Galileo? - you and your ilk will never be able to erase the shame of your church's corruption and lust for power and just, haha, being so pig-ignorant about the sun and the earth.
Can we just sum this debate up with:

1) Abominable cruelties have been done in the name of religion.

2) Some of the greatest acts of charity and kindness have also been done in the name of religion.

And let's leave it at that for this thread.
 

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