Rabbis call for the removal of Catholic church at Auschwitz.

What I'm getting at is that we cannot stop humanity seeking a 'higher force', a spiritual dimension, a higher meaning to their existence. They'll seek, but they won't find until they discover some tangible connection between the divine and their material reality
How do you know this (what I marked in bold)?
 
Since this thread has already disappeared down the plughole of religious discussion, a question for you.

The heathen savages out in the middle of Africa/Asia/America would not have known about catholicism for thousands of years until some missionary turned up. What happened to the souls of all those people who died before they could accept your 'true' religion?
Theres that tale isn't there

An African villager asks the Clergyman - "would my soul still go to hell if you hadn't told me god existed - if I was unaware of god - would I be punished because the word had not reached me?"

Of course not

So why then would you tell me and put my soul in peril
 
Theres that tale isn't there

An African villager asks the Clergyman - "would my soul still go to hell if you hadn't told me god existed - if I was unaware of god - would I be punished because the word had not reached me?"

Of course not

So why then would you tell me and put my soul in peril
Their souls wouldn't be in peril if they accepted Christ, repented of their sins and refrained from sex outside marriage.

Job's a good one.
 
Because people are generally always looking for things to confirm their beliefs and preconceptions, and it's natural to go with whatever belief manifests as something tangible to their reality.
Human nature.
Which is why religions are so successful. They prey on human frailties.
 
Because people are generally always looking for things to confirm their beliefs and preconceptions, and it's natural to go with whatever belief manifests as something tangible to their reality.

Sorry that's just a very general supposition which doesn't answer my question at all.
My question was regarding the very clear statement you made in your post #320 "
They'll seek, but they won't find until they discover some tangible connection between the divine and their material reality"​

The question was "How do you know this?" How do you know that they won't find?
 
Human nature.
Which is why religions are so successful. They prey on human frailties.
I just sprayed a mouthful over my keyboard, instead of swallowing as is right and just.

Take a very good look at everything around you that's exploiting human frailties right now, in our secular, debt-based, consumerist culture, in which the highly privileged use fear to force a new feudal system onto the rest of us.
Would you still blame religion while you're existing as as a 'zero-carbon' serf to corporations, enslaved to debt, and lacking the freedom to express discontent with your lot because the political class decides the language you can use?

Take this in the manner intended but you are being very judgemental.
I don't like being a judgemental bastard, but sometimes I need to be. God's judgement is greater and more permanent.
 
Take a very good look at everything around you that's exploiting human frailties right now,
Like the many and varied religions on offer.
At last we are in agreement.
in which the highly privileged use fear to force a new feudal system onto the rest of us.
We're talking about religions again.
Would you still blame religion
I don't blame religion. I blame the humans who have invented it and exploited it over the centuries, using the weak and suceptible as tools to further their power and wealth.
 
Like the many and varied religions on offer.
At last we are in agreement.

We're talking about religions again.

I don't blame religion. I blame the humans who have invented it and exploited it over the centuries, using the weak and suceptible as tools to further their power and wealth.

I knew someone who raised the exact same points as you did.

He was a communist.
 
I knew someone who raised the exact same points as you did.

He was a communist.
I knew a bloke who was convicted of child abuse.

He was a Catholic.

And your point is?
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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Human nature.
Which is why religions are so successful. They prey on human frailties.
What's wrong with being kind to one another, not nicking other people's stuff, not shagging their wife, husband, ox or goat, and not being jealous of them for having more than you, and looking after your parents?

Pretty good basis for society imho.
 

endure

GCM
What's wrong with being kind to one another, not nicking other people's stuff, not shagging their wife, husband, ox or goat, and not being jealous of them for having more than you, and looking after your parents?

Pretty good basis for society imho.
Those principles aren't confined to Christianity though...
 

Cutaway

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Those principles aren't confined to Christianity though...
Principles are great.

Putting them into practice is another bowl of bat soup.
 
What's wrong with being kind to one another, not nicking other people's stuff, not shagging their wife, husband, ox or goat, and not being jealous of them for having more than you, and looking after your parents?

Pretty good basis for society imho.
Wonderful things and wonderful that they no longer have anything to do with any religion.
 
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Grownup_Rafbrat

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Those principles aren't confined to Christianity though...
I didn't say they are. Most major religions have similar principles, all of which are a good basis for society. Being kind to each other surely includes tolerating others' ways of achieving those goals.


Where the trouble starts is in human interpretation, for example 'dress modestly'.

It didn't mean our mothers were tarts for not wearing a hat and gloves when out of doors and it doesn't mean dress like a black post box. It means dress sensibly for what you're doing and don't wear a bikini to the supermarket, whether you are male or female!
 

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endure

GCM
I didn't say they are. Most major religions have similar principles, all of which are a good basis for society. Being kind to each other surely includes tolerating others' ways of achieving those goals.


Where the trouble starts is in human interpretation, for example 'dress modestly'.

It didn't mean our mothers were tarts for not wearing a hat and gloves when out of doors and it doesn't mean dress like a black post box. It means dress sensibly for what you're doing and don't wear a bikini to the supermarket, whether you are male or female!

There are even some religions that dont think they need to tell you how to dress... :wink:
 
I knew a bloke who was convicted of child abuse.

He was a Catholic.

And your point is?
I'm just saying. I'm not implying, in any way, that you're secretly a communist change agent, and that any investigation arising from such an accusation would be an opportunity to clear your name.

There are even some religions that dont think they need to tell you how to dress... :wink:
Yes, Christianity is one of them. As long as you wear a long dress, long sleeves and a mantilla/veil, anything goes.
 
As part of the commeration of the liberation of Auschwitz 75 years ago there was a programme on German TV last night called "Ein Tag in Auschwitz" (one day in Auschwitz). It concerned mostly the activities of the SS photographer Stabsscharführer (Sgt) Bernard Walter and his assistant. They photographed everything, absolutley everything and published 15 albums with around 200 pictures. The only surviving example is in a museum in Israel. In addition two survivors were interviewed, one who as a young girl, about 13, was taken to Auschwitz with the rest of her family, she and an older sister survived. The other person interviewed was a Polish Jew who worked with other prisoners disposing of the bodies of murder victims. He escaped and later moved to the States where he is still living.
The SS photos revealed in great detail what was nothing less than industrialised mass murder. Although most of the victims were Jews, there were also large numbers of gypsies, socialists, communists, homosexuals and anyone else the Reich took a disliking to, eg Russian POWs. Rabbi Weis ought to bear that in mind.
I found the programme difficult to watch and had to look away several times.
 

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