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Thank you. How do you know god and jasus are one and the same? If god is the ground of all reality and is existence then, we are all god, so why do you insist only jesus is god?
Nobody knows the mechincs behind creation and reality, but many of us, and the Church, are pretty convinced that reality emerges from God, almost as if He's the source of the quantum fields we perceive as particles, EM radiation and matter. We'll never have the instruments to probe that deep, so it'll forever remain unknowable.
Now, if that's true, it would mean God, as the Father, is too profound and beyond human ability to comprehend. We can't interact with God the father the way we'd interact with another human. This is why, in our theology, God made himself incarnate as a human, and why Jesus said there is no way to the Father except through Him, and why Jesus said that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father. Ergo, Jesus is the manifestation of God that we can comprehend.
 
Nobody knows the mechincs behind creation and reality, but many of us, and the Church, are pretty convinced that reality emerges from God, almost as if He's the source of the quantum fields we perceive as particles, EM radiation and matter. We'll never have the instruments to probe that deep, so it'll forever remain unknowable.
Now, if that's true, it would mean God, as the Father, is too profound and beyond human ability to comprehend. We can't interact with God the father the way we'd interact with another human. This is why, in our theology, God made himself incarnate as a human, and why Jesus said there is no way to the Father except through Him, and why Jesus said that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father. Ergo, Jesus is the manifestation of God that we can comprehend.
"in our theology" does not answer my question "how do you know?" regarding the very clear statement you made.

How do you know he said these things - did you see him say them on video?
 
"in our theology" does not answer my question "how do you know?" regarding the very clear statement you made.

How do you know he said these things - did you see him say them on video?
How do you know Jeremy Corbyn is socialist? How do you know more people voted to leave the EU than remain? How would you know the accusations against Jimmy Savile and Rolfe Harris were true? You can't. That's faith.
 
I do understand. Psychopaths aren't merely superficially charming. They're highly manipulative, intelligent, have little or no conscience and seem to like hurting people. Power is like a drug to them. Most of all, they're destructive.
You are describing Saint Mother Theresa of Hell there.
 
Nobody knows the mechincs behind creation and reality, but many of us, and the Church, are pretty convinced that reality emerges from God, almost as if He's the source of the quantum fields we perceive as particles, EM radiation and matter. We'll never have the instruments to probe that deep, so it'll forever remain unknowable.
Now, if that's true, it would mean God, as the Father, is too profound and beyond human ability to comprehend. We can't interact with God the father the way we'd interact with another human. This is why, in our theology, God made himself incarnate as a human, and why Jesus said there is no way to the Father except through Him, and why Jesus said that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father. Ergo, Jesus is the manifestation of God that we can comprehend.
FFS, give it a rest, its repetitive, boring, and mind numbingly tedious....and get a life.
 
How do you know Jeremy Corbyn is socialist? How do you know more people voted to leave the EU than remain? How would you know the accusations against Jimmy Savile and Rolfe Harris were true? You can't. That's faith.
So that's your answer - "you can't know".
So many pages and posts and so much cajoling, just to get you to make this simple but fundamental admission.

So this theology of yours you just spoke about, how do you know it's true?
 
So that's your answer - "you can't know".
So many pages and posts and so much cajoling, just to get you to make this simple but fundamental admission.

So this theology of yours you just spoke about, how do you know it's true?

very profound, and a paradox in the making.
 
So that's your answer - "you can't know".
So many pages and posts and so much cajoling, just to get you to make this simple but fundamental admission.

So this theology of yours you just spoke about, how do you know it's true?
You are welcome to live as a total solipsist and disbelieve anything you can't know, if that suits you.
I have already made that admission and stated my beliefs and reasoning multiple times in previous discussions, so I'm not understanding how what I've just said is news to you.
 
You are welcome to live as a total solipsist and disbelieve anything you can't know, if that suits you.
I have already made that admission and stated my beliefs and reasoning multiple times in previous discussions, so I'm not understanding how what I've just said is news to you.

Answer the question, its not rocket science.!

The old adage suits you perfectly,:- IF YOU CAN'T DAZZLE THEM WITH YOUR BRILLIANCE, BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHIT"
 
Answer the question, its not rocket science.!

The old adage suits you perfectly,:- IF YOU CAN'T DAZZLE THEM WITH YOUR BRILLIANCE, BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHIT"
No, it's not rocket science, but it entails soending hours drafting an essay on the basics to justify my worldview for every single thread, in answer to the same ******* question. 'Prove this. Prove that. That's not proof, etc.' Honestly, I think you'd be better off cracking open a book on theology.
I'd be spending hours merely repeating exactly what I've posted in that God Botherers thread and the other one with Higgsy in it.
 
You are welcome to live as a total solipsist and disbelieve anything you can't know, if that suits you.
I have already made that admission and stated my beliefs and reasoning multiple times in previous discussions, so I'm not understanding how what I've just said is news to you.
it's about all these very clear and outright statements you make, such as "God and Jesus are one and the same." [#195].
I feel the form of speech you tend to use is misleading. Since you yourself state "you can't know", surely you should be qualifying each of your assertions about such things with "I believe that ...." etc etc.
That would accurately reflect your truth while clarifying the context so it isn't misleading to whoever reads it.
I doubt whether anyone here would argue with what another poster chooses as an individual to believe.
 
Reductio ad absurdum is a common argument from people whose position is absurd, and is rightly ignored.
Oh, my! Some Latin jargon to make your counter-argument appear profound and insightful.
In fact, my point is entirely relevant, because in the New Testament, and other sources from the 1st and 2nd centuries, we do have accounts from real people who claimed first-hand knowledge of the events described. Many details of those accounts are consistent with what's deemed to be facts by historians of the time and place in question.
Dismissing the New Testament as mere fiction, or devising some interpretation that's inconsistent with its claims, would be taking skepticism to a ridiculous level, since a consistency of reasoning would require you to dismiss pretty much all other historical accounts from other times and places.
 
Will a cat be involved?
I ask on behalf of Death who liked cats.
I wonder what he thought of Schrodinger?

Depending which reality you subscribe to, or profess to live in, the cat, and by projection the theory, is both dead and alive, as is the theory of religion in all its manifestations. Expanding this thinking one has to factor in spare fuel and tonnage of goods carried, time of day, and traffic conditions, all make a difference on a molecular level, and as much sense as trying to quantify religion, its meaning, and the existence of a somewhat mythical god head, that nobody has seen, touched, or talked to, and its effects and meaning on the modern world.

Its all pure conjecture and guesswork, based on myths, legends, fairy tails, and un-substantiated word of mouth stories, handed down over the last 2000 years or more, and embellished in the telling. It makes no logical sense.
 
Oh, my! Some Latin jargon to make your counter-argument appear profound and insightful.
In fact, my point is entirely relevant, because in the New Testament, and other sources from the 1st and 2nd centuries, we do have accounts from real people who claimed first-hand knowledge of the events described. Many details of those accounts are consistent with what's deemed to be facts by historians of the time and place in question.
Dismissing the New Testament as mere fiction, or devising some interpretation that's inconsistent with its claims, would be taking skepticism to a ridiculous level, since a consistency of reasoning would require you to dismiss pretty much all other historical accounts from other times and places.
So you are inferring that the New Testament is 100% true?
If it is not 100% true - how do you know what parts are true and what parts aren't?
 
Will a cat be involved?
I ask on behalf of Death who liked cats.
I wonder what he thought of Schrodinger?
Probably admired him for being able to get it in the box and closing it without being ripped to shreds.
 

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