Quick question for the septics out there.

#1
I have just been informed that we have a couple of yanks joining us for our annual camp (US/UK exchange programme) and one of them is an "SFC".

Not one I was taught on AJD so what the fcuk does this stand for (Sergeant First Clas????) and what is the UK equivalent?

Thanks in advance for the help!
 
#2
I believe, its Specialist, First Class.
 
#4
It stands for Secialist first class, and after indepth discussions with a septic, and a lot of argueing, about the same as a grade 1 soldier. Sgt is their first NCO rank. They work it out on an E basis. E stands for Enlisted, so for instance if they are E1 it means Enlisted 1 which would be a Grade 4 soldier (bloke in training) and follows as this:
E1 - 4 Pte, (E3 is known as Private First Class. E4 is know as Specialist class 4 or Spec 4) E5 - Sgt (LCpl), E6-SSgt (Cpl), E7- Sergeant First Class (Sgt), E8-Master Sgt (CSgt/WO2), E9-CSM-Command Sergeant Major (WO1) or something along those lines anyway.
 
#6
Easy mistake to make, the septics have a limit of 3 letters for all abbreviations of rank, it works with their software apparently. So. SFC is indeed Sergeant First Class. A Specialist First Class becomes SP4. It all sounds good until you get to a Lt.Col. who becomes LTC and I believe a Maj. Gen is MGN!!! If it aint broke................
 
#7
Readyfourzero said:
It stands for Secialist first class, and after indepth discussions with a septic, and a lot of argueing, about the same as a grade 1 soldier. Sgt is their first NCO rank. They work it out on an E basis. E stands for Enlisted, so for instance if they are E1 it means Enlisted 1 which would be a Grade 4 soldier (bloke in training) and follows as this:
E1 - 4 Pte, (E3 is known as Private First Class. E4 is know as Specialist class 4 or Spec 4) E5 - Sgt (LCpl), E6-SSgt (Cpl), E7- Sergeant First Class (Sgt), E8-Master Sgt (CSgt/WO2), E9-CSM-Command Sergeant Major (WO1) or something along those lines anyway.
Sorry Readyfourzero....but that truely deserves a.....

WWWAAAAHHHHHH!

:wink:
 
#8
Jaeger said:
Easy mistake to make, the septics have a limit of 3 letters for all abbreviations of rank, it works with their software apparently. So. SFC is indeed Sergeant First Class. A Specialist First Class becomes SP4. It all sounds good until you get to a Lt.Col. who becomes LTC and I believe a Maj. Gen is MGN!!! If it aint broke................
Is "General Of The Army" a bit of a "GOA" then?

:lol:
 
#9
no matter what the rank, he will be the equivalent of some one whos half way through phase 1 trg. :D
 
#10
I think the waters are sufficiently muddied and so I feel compelled to straighten out some misinformation.

An E-1 Private is a trainee.
E-2 is also a Private but has 1 chevron.
E-3 PFC has a chevron and a rocker.

There is no Specialist First Class, just Specialist 4 but if the Spc4 is in a leadership position he can be appointed a Corporal or if the commander choses he can be appointed an AJ [Acting Jack]/Sgt. A Sgt in the infantry is a fire team leader.

A Corporal in any army is still a Corporal. Now the UK version may be paid like a US Staff Sgt but the responsibilities are quite different.
A squad leader is a Staff Sgt [SSGT]/E6.

At the E-8 level we have Master Sgt [MSGT] and 1SGT[ First Sgt]. The First
Sgt is the top NCO in a company.

By the way the abbreviation for Major General is MG.

As an aside the Army used to have Spc4- Spc7 but all were discontinued - save the Spec4. The Spc6 and Spc7's were authorized SSgt and SFC rank.
 
#11
tomahawk6 said:
I think the waters are sufficiently muddied and so I feel compelled to straighten out some misinformation.

An E-1 Private is a trainee.
E-2 is also a Private but has 1 chevron.
E-3 PFC has a chevron and a rocker.

There is no Specialist First Class, just Specialist 4 but if the Spc4 is in a leadership position he can be appointed a Corporal or if the commander choses he can be appointed an AJ [Acting Jack]/Sgt. A Sgt in the infantry is a fire team leader.

A Corporal in any army is still a Corporal. Now the UK version may be paid like a US Staff Sgt but the responsibilities are quite different.
A squad leader is a Staff Sgt [SSGT]/E6.

At the E-8 level we have Master Sgt [MSGT] and 1SGT[ First Sgt]. The First
Sgt is the top NCO in a company.

By the way the abbreviation for Major General is MG.

As an aside the Army used to have Spc4- Spc7 but all were discontinued - save the Spec4. The Spc6 and Spc7's were authorized SSgt and SFC rank.
Well thats cleared that up then.... :D :D
 
#13
Now we've cleared that up (I think!) can any of the Yanks give any ideas or suggestions for wind ups of your 2 reserve force colleagues who are coming to join us for 2 weeks in the summer? :D
 
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#14
Big_Al said:
Now we've cleared that up (I think!) can any of the Yanks give any ideas or suggestions for wind ups of your 2 reserve force colleagues who are coming to join us for 2 weeks in the summer? :D
Just found out I'm going the other way ie UK to US. Looking forward to it!
 
#15
tomahawk6 said:
A Sgt in the infantry is a fire team leader.

A Corporal in any army is still a Corporal. Now the UK version may be paid like a US Staff Sgt but the responsibilities are quite different.
A squad leader is a Staff Sgt [SSGT]/E6.
But in the UK, a fire team leader is a Lance Corporal, and a section (pretty much equivalent to squad, I believe) commander is a Corporal - so aren't the responsibilities of E5-SGT/LCpl and E6-SSGT/Cpl actually pretty similar?
 
#16
Big_Al said:
Now we've cleared that up (I think!) can any of the Yanks give any ideas or suggestions for wind ups of your 2 reserve force colleagues who are coming to join us for 2 weeks in the summer? :D
Ask them if SFC stands for Sorry Fecking Cnut :D
 
#18
Biscuits_AB said:
BlackHand said:
This is a good site for a comparison of British, US and Canadian ranks

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Comparative_military_ranks
Nice to see that even the yanks recognise that a Flight Sgt equates to a SSgt and not a Warrant Officer.

:lol:
and the chart has it correct that a Warrant Officer in the Canadian Army is the equivalent of a SSgt (British Army) (which is what it used to be in Canada)

One problem with the chart is, that a Canadian Master Corporal is the eqivalent of a US army E5 Sgt., not a US Army E4 Corporal.
One might make the argument that a MCpl covers both E4 and E5 though.
 
#19
RCSignals said:
One problem with the chart is, that a Canadian Master Corporal is the eqivalent of a US army E5 Sgt., not a US Army E4 Corporal.
We had a Canadian Master Cpl with us in Bosnia a couple of years ago, claiming to be the equivalent of a Brit Sgt and was using the 'mess', then some of the more green members complained and confirmation was requested from 'way above', and straight from the Canadian Big Cheeses at Sarajavo came the info that a Master Cpl was a lower rank than a Brit Sgt and was not entitled to use the mess. So it was off to the NAAFI for her, which was a shame as she had massive lungs.
 
#20
Filbert Fox said:
RCSignals said:
One problem with the chart is, that a Canadian Master Corporal is the eqivalent of a US army E5 Sgt., not a US Army E4 Corporal.
We had a Canadian Master Cpl with us in Bosnia a couple of years ago, claiming to be the equivalent of a Brit Sgt and was using the 'mess', then some of the more green members complained and confirmation was requested from 'way above', and straight from the Canadian Big Cheeses at Sarajavo came the info that a Master Cpl was a lower rank than a Brit Sgt and was not entitled to use the mess. So it was off to the NAAFI for her, which was a shame as she had massive lungs.
So you just spent a little more time in the NAAFI ;)

She was wrong though, a Cdn MCpl is in no way eqivalent to a Brit Sgt.

A MCpl is a Corporal eqivalent. Something had to be done when Hellyer created his "instant Cpl" which is nothing more than an experienced Private. (not even the same as a LCpl)
 

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