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Change colour for socio economic group and you may garner some support. Otherwise you are just saying black people are criminals and there is a causal link between melanin and criminality. Which is one of the basic tenants of racism and I'm sure you aren't racist
Ok. How about there's a causal link between the massive chip many young black men have on their shoulder and acts of criminality?
 
Glad you said 'vintage'. If you'd said 'antique' I'd have replied in a harsh font (hot metal, naturally).
That reminds me, AY was absent from the jollity tonight.
I have stopped watching QT as it is a repetitive and boring exercise now. Every programme is the same subject/questions which the politicians on the panel go out of their way not to answer.

Dimbleby needs to go and the production team need to sharpen up. The show used to attract the top minds of the political parties along with non politician guests with some intelligence and the ability to talk about a variety of subjects.

Now we get politicians scared out of their wits and no intention of dealing with the subject matter other than to trot out the current party line - none of them have an original thought in their bodies. The nkn-pol guests are often witless "celebrities" there just to give the panel a bit of "glamour"

The show, IMHO, has lost all of its edge, Dimbers is weak and terrified if a panelist tries to be controversial and is easily intimidated by some panelists. The show needs a presenter who does not appear to be in awe of the panel and willing to allow frank discussion, both by panel and audience.

In the meantime I don't bother with it, only watching occasionally when really bored.
Replace Dimbers with Andrew Neil would be a good start.


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I'm sure you aren't racist.
I bloody well am!


I hate racing. Bores the tits off of me. All those overpaid pygmies in their stupid garishly-coloured jerseys and silly hats. Those dumb nags letting themselves be beasted around a track and over jumps and stuff, breaking something and having to be shot by a vet and whathaveyou. And don't even get me started on John Fucking McCrirrick. Thank Christ he's been chinned off.
 
I'm a firm believer that you should be allowed to change your mind/alter your position. Politicians being locked into a position to the death is what is ******* the UK up.

Life isn't binary
I think that was part of the problem that led to the Pakistani grooming shennanigans. Politicians from all sides had spent so long queuing up to scream "racist!" at anyone suggesting there was an issue (BNP), that they couldn't bring themselves to accept it, for fear of being perceived as BNP sympathisers perhaps.
 
On this week, peter Hitchens eating Andrew Neal, priti Patel and the other weasel Alan Johnson Alive
I'm not so sure of that. Hitchens (who I normally consider to be one of our most independent and incisive journos on most subjects) didn't make his point as well as he could have, although he was right in stating that the 'witnesses' to the Douma attacks lack credibility; most were 70 miles away, the Russians have blocked access to the site and the presence of helicopters in the sky that day means little. There was, at the time the decision to attack infrastructure sites, no hard evidence of the use of chemicals, be they sarin or chlorine. There still isn't. He was entirely right in saying that the US/FR/UK attacks seem to be based on a sort of 'compassionate jingoism'. As he said, the rebels in Douma are the same gang who had allegedly perpetrated a chemical attack in Alleppo previously; there is a rush to judgement which is inappropriate, especially in view of the fact that very few people actually understand the situation on the ground - I certainly don't.
Neil eventually shut him up. If he'd given a proper report at the start that wouldn't have happened.
 
Change colour for socio economic group and you may garner some support. Otherwise you are just saying black people are criminals and there is a causal link between melanin and criminality. Which is one of the basic tenants of racism and I'm sure you aren't racist
No that is not what is being said at all. The Police had previously identified via records and experience that a certain age group needed to be the target of stop & search until politicians intervened. That the majority of this age group was black was neither here nor there but it certainly has shown they were not far off with the increase in knife crime.
 
No that is not what is being said at all. The Police had previously identified via records and experience that a certain age group needed to be the target of stop & search until politicians intervened. That the majority of this age group was black was neither here nor there but it certainly has show they were not far off with the increase in knife crime.
This has gone back to the days of Commissioner Condon.

He made a similar point about street crime, which was then lost in howling of politics.

Quarter of men accused are black

Of course, dependent on area your demographics may change.

Overwhelmingly, in the Met and outside - the vast majority of burglars I dealt with were white. So I targeted them, dependent upon other factors which influence my decision.

If the majority offences are within one community in one area, you logically are going to concentrate upon that problem.

It is as wrong to give males of a certain colour between certain ages a pass due to the politics of violent crime, as it is to give males of certain ethnic heritage a pass in the interest of "community cohesion" whilst investigation of sexual offences.

Nothing will be done, until an MP or their family is wounded or (sadly) killed.

For example,

MP's son attacked by girl gang in Leicester Square KFC

His mother, MP for Kensington and until recently Boris Johnson's deputy, called for more 'safe havens' to be set up after the guards pushed her son out of the restaurant.
We used to have such places, they were called Police Stations. Obviously many of those have been shut, and most front counters at nicks in London are not 24/7. I believe there was one per each of the 32 boroughs, but even that may not be the case any longer.
 
I think that was part of the problem that led to the Pakistani grooming shennanigans. Politicians from all sides had spent so long queuing up to scream "racist!" at anyone suggesting there was an issue (BNP), that they couldn't bring themselves to accept it, for fear of being perceived as BNP sympathisers perhaps.
Well, that at the local borough commander had to get the figures down on other crime which was what he was being judged on.....

Such are the perverse incentives of targets.
 
Does that overlook that the population of Brixton is predominantly, erm, black...?
If for instance it was a criminal offence to drink pims whilst watching the rowing in Henley, then would it not be reasonable to stop and search the blazer and straw hatted sorts who just happen to be hovering around street corners looking to deal some pims to the henley massiiiiif who are on their way to the rowing? They would be predominantly white, therefore the stops would be targeting a specific group of society based on their location and the likelyhood of a high proportion maybe being offenders or potentially involved in offences.

As ridiculous as that is, it's no different to police using the same logic to deter and apprehend offenders of knife and drugs crime in parts of our cities. It's not the fault of the police that a significant amount of knife crime is committed by young black males. Stopping that ilk of person isn't racist, it's the extension of intelligence led policing.
 
Change colour for socio economic group and you may garner some support. Otherwise you are just saying black people are criminals and there is a causal link between melanin and criminality. Which is one of the basic tenants of racism and I'm sure you aren't racist
I'm sure Sri Lankans, Indians and Chinese communities in this country might want to discuss that too.

Let's just say urban, black, boys from single parent families shall we.

But targeting such a socio-economic group is just as discriminatory as it's all society's fault for not accepting their culture. Or so my D&I lead at work tells me
 
If for instance it was a criminal offence to drink pims whilst watching the rowing in Henley, then would it not be reasonable to stop and search the blazer and straw hatted sorts who just happen to be hovering around street corners looking to deal some pims to the henley massiiiiif who are on their way to the rowing? They would be predominantly white, therefore the stops would be targeting a specific group of society based on their location and the likelyhood of a high proportion maybe being offenders or potentially involved in offences.

As ridiculous as that is, it's no different to police using the same logic to deter and apprehend offenders of knife and drugs crime in parts of our cities. It's not the fault of the police that a significant amount of knife crime is committed by young black males. Stopping that ilk of person isn't racist, it's the extension of intelligence led policing.
If I may take the diabolical liberty of adding to your post, I think the link below puts the science in to the stop and search approach

The usefulness of criminal profiling | Centre for Crime and Justice Studies
 
Change colour for socio economic group and you may garner some support. Otherwise you are just saying black people are criminals and there is a causal link between melanin and criminality. Which is one of the basic tenants of racism and I'm sure you aren't racist
No, I am not racist & welcome anyone to this country regardless of colour & religion, providing they obey the laws of this country & contribute towards it. I expect the majority of people hold a similar view.
I did not state that "black people are criminals".
But what I posted are facts & it is not racist to state them, although some with limited common sense or an axe to grind would disagree.
Neither am I saying there is a casual link between colour & criminality. The link is absolutely certain.
But I expect everyone else is at fault, be it politicians, the police or simply a so called lack of opportunity or any other reason that keeps the liberal left happy & doesn't actually address the problem.
 
If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart;
if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head
. Unknown/disputed first author
If you are a socialist at 25 -you are a C**T
If you are a socialist after 25 - you really are an absolute C**T
 
As labour are utter crap at managing the economy, the Tories are getting a deserved label of being utter crap at immigration
I seem to remember Labour opening the flood-gates to unlimited immigration from Poland et al.

Labour: crap at everything except promoting divisiveness, hate and finagleing & gerrymandering elections..

Immigration Act 1973 was when the big change was made and legal immigrants told to "do the paperwork". Those now complaining had 45 Years to secure their status, they chose not to. They are not "victims".
 
I looked at the "friends" on a local Labour councillors twitter account. A lot of Union/3rd sector/NHS jobs on there, all very middle class when looked at. My next door neighbour is a Labour councillor working in social sector along with his wife. By Labour definition should be poor JAMS in a terrace house. 4 bedroom house with a BMW and Audi on drive. Me and the miss next door do with a KIA and VW Polo and we align with Tory thinking!
EDIT Miss is a CS and I'm slowly gripping up the social/3rd sector pole.
Blair & Brown's strategy succeeded.

Expand public sector, quangos, fake charities etc; give them lots of taxpayers' money - they will vote Labour.
 
Glasgow and London have very little in common demographically.
More than you seem to believe:

Lots of very rich
Similar %area of public parks
Lots of MSM
Lots of low-life criminal & violent scum
The last being the pertinent point - scum are the problem. In London non-white scum are pandered to exacerbating the problem.
 

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