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Question, RE Uniform

#2
APWT Marksman, or was in my day. You got awarded the badge then quietly told don't bother sewing it on as you will look a berk, I have a load of them somewhere.
 
#3
What do you mean told not to sew it on...sorry if that sounds like a daft question, but I thought if you earnt it you can wear it with pride...
 
#6
If you qualify at RMAS for the sharpshooter the Company Staff ensure that you wear it & the College tailor sews it on. Unless things have changed - we didn't get a choice.
 
#8
In ATRs and units it isn't really done because you have to re-qualify within 12 months to keep it on, and IIRC you will have to re-qual moving from ATR to Phase 2/ph 2 to unit... hence it is just a pain the arrse to sew it on ad take it off. I've never seen them worn in a unit.

Harrogate (as was) used to put them on too, but the course was 2 years long.

The real question is, why has he got a rifle, and all the rest swords? Is he right marker or somehing?
 
#10
In ATRs and units it isn't really done because you have to re-qualify within 12 months to keep it on, and IIRC you will have to re-qual moving from ATR to Phase 2/ph 2 to unit... hence it is just a pain the arrse to sew it on ad take it off. I've never seen them worn in a unit.
Probably slightly less of a pain in the arse in Granny instructs one of her little helpers to do the sewing for you.
 
#11
The real question is, why has he got a rifle, and all the rest swords? Is he right marker or somehing?
He would appear to have been promoted to the Cadet Government as a Cadet Sergeant (red sash) and therefore as an 'NCO' would not carry a sword?

He is on parade next to the Junior Under Officer (gold trim on epaulette).

If he was Right Marker, he ought not to have his 'head'n'eyes' over, surely?

Re. the crossed rifles: In 'my day', a marksman's pass at APWT gained you Crossed Rifles to display ones prowess in Musketry - worn by Other Ranks on their sleeve. Question: my memory dims, but did Instructors wear them above their rank?

ps Why is this thread entitled 'RE Uniform'?
 

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#15
Re. the crossed rifles: In 'my day', a marksman's pass at APWT gained you Crossed Rifles to display ones prowess in Musketry - worn by Other Ranks on their sleeve. Question: my memory dims, but did Instructors wear them above their rank?
The crossed rifles denote different things dependent on where they are placed on the uniform. Sewn above the rank chevrons denotes that the NCO is a Skill At Arms Instructor.
 
#16
Queensman - Not quite right. No such thing as Cadet Sergeants (nowadays). He was wearing the Red sash/carrying the rifle as, IIRC, he was one of the escorts for the Soverign's Banner for the Commissioning parade.
 
#17
Crossed rifles are given to those achieving marksman on the ACMT in the intermediate term.

As part of the Cadet Government there are two Cadet Sergeants dressing the left and right rear ranks of the Senior division, after which they take up their position to the outside of the half companies closest to the steps. Upon an inward dress following the march past they would have their head and eyes over as they are dressing from the Colour Party who are aligned with the steps.
 
#18
What is this Cadet Government that you (PBW & Queensman) have mentioned? Is it an Old/New name for JUO's/SUO's - I was on the parade that the picture is of, and have never heard the term before?
 
#19
What is this Cadet Government that you (PBW & Queensman) have mentioned? Is it an Old/New name for JUO's/SUO's - I was on the parade that the picture is of, and have never heard the term before?
I believe that during the 2 year Commissioning Course ( for non-grads, who attended a 6 month Standard Graduate Course ) pre-1972 you were allocated to a Company on arrival and stayed with it during your time at the Academy. While you would train alongside guys who were in the same term as you, albeit in different companies, you were administered by your Platoon Commander & CSgt, augmented by a Cadet hierarchy of Corporals, Sergeants, JUOs etc.

This was binned during the 1972 rationalisation which formed companies according to intake - referenced on p.5 here: www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/history_of_rmas.pdf. It made sense organisationally, but was also a step away from the public school style ethos which was falling out of fashion at the time. ISTR that the Cadet government was pretty unpopular among the Cadets due to its potential to foster bullying & tough justice.
 

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