Question re Newcastle TA etc ?

Goatman

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#1
Bloke I know, who knows a bloke etc etc was at a closed meeting in Lahndon today, at which a Defence Minister* was telling the fraternal comrades all about the blood sweat and tears which all Departments can look forward to over the next few years.....morale boosting stuff.

One of the points Our Min allegedly threw in was

' It's not all about money...the military needs to take a hard look at how it organises itself...why for instance , in Newcastle alone ,are there 9 separate Reserve units, including the RNR? '

Cue rather overloud stage whisper of 'B0ll0cks!' from the back of the hall.

Over to you Geordie/Maccam Stabs? Sounds like rubbish to me - but who knows?

Could Hizzoner be correct? I think we should be told.....


* Well, ALL our Ministers come from oop Norf innit tho ?
 
#4
What's the problem with 9 separate TA units? I'd be concerned if there were 9 similar TA units.

Sounds like the Defence Minister needs to be informed as to what constitutes an army.
 
#6
Jerrycan2793 said:
This goes back to the Idea of one larger facility rather than 8 Small ones I think
But that would be akin to suggesting that all TA units in the Greater London area should relocate to the HAC Grounds. I'm sure that the grassy bit in the middle would accommodate all the vehicles. It'd just be a shame that there wouldn't be enough people to drive them.
 
#7
Jerrycan2793 said:
This goes back to the Idea of one larger facility rather than 8 Small ones I think
Dead right, next step rationalise the estate, sell off the family silver, and hey presto Super TA centres!!!

Methinks the spadework for such could well be under way, why else would anybody in the capital have the faintest idea where Newcastle is, let alone how many TA units it supports!
 
#8
While were at it, why don't we go the whole hog and merge everyone into one mega infantry regiment. That ought to reduce the need for all that real estate.
 
#9
Turret_Monster said:
While were at it, why don't we go the whole hog and merge everyone into one mega infantry regiment. That ought to reduce the need for all that real estate.
But what to we do with RNR Tyne? they will still need somewhere to park their boats, senior service don't you know!
 
#10
Well, have one giant TA centre, and have a drill night at different days of the week...Easy! Though of course training weekends will get difficult...trying to get all them trucks out at he same time....convoys getting confused.....people forgetting what regiment they are in etc etc.

Ministers=berks
 
#11
There is of course a serious side to this, how many of us reside in large under utilised TACs, that in the civilian world in which we work would long ago have been rationalised?

It is right and proper that consideration should be given to the estate, its size, and how it is managed, done with some thought (unlikely I know) it could even prove a good move, especially if TACs are invested in and made fit for purpose.
 
#12
Jerrycans Plan, This is akin to my other cost saving idea in another thread, 1 Rifle for 2 Soldiers.

TAC's will hold 4 Units, The TAC will have one Armoury, 1 MT/LAD with the appropriate Staff, 1 Set of Permanent Staff EG. PSI's,PSAO's with specialist instructors attached where needed.

Each unit will have a different parade night, and as there is usual 4 weekends in a month each unit gets one weekend a month.

Transport will be shared, Units such as the logistics or Yeomanry which normally have more than bedfords and landrovers will pretend that they are in their vehicles. The RMP (V) Will be issued with Blue lights to attach to the coolest vehicle they can lay their mitts on and will be allowed to stop any commandeer any TA vehicle that is better than the one they have and are relevantly licensed for. Commanding Officers however have the right to retain their vehicles.

The Soldiers of each unit will have their own rifle however it will be shared with 3 soldiers 1 from the TACs other units, Effort will be made to ensure that soldiers with similar Colminator reads share a rifle to avoid zeroing issues. Webbing will be shared between people of a similar size and stature. One mess tin from each pair will be sold for scrap metal. Knifes and Forks will also be sold for scrap as you only really need a spoon anyway.

The Rifle sharing however in accordance with my previous Jerry Directive will be reduced to 1 Rifle shared between 2 soldiers in each Unit Reference 1 Rifle 2 Soldiers if required.

Ammunition will be substituted for an infinite supply of Rifle 5.56 Cadet Variant. Which only works when you shout loudly the word BANG!

Bayonets will in the future be scrapped and a roll of black maskers issued to each unit.

In the event that a bayonet is needed soldiers will gaff tape their spoons to their rifles and hope the enemy has not played knifey spooney before.

In the event that the soldier has lost his or her spoon a replacement spoon can be purchased at the soldiers own expense.
 
#13
Jerrycan2793 said:
Jerrycans Plan, This is akin to my other cost saving idea in another thread, 1 Rifle for 2 Soldiers.

TAC's will hold 4 Units, The TAC will have one Armoury, 1 MT/LAD with the appropriate Staff, 1 Set of Permanent Staff EG. PSI's,PSAO's with specialist instructors attached where needed.

Each unit will have a different parade night, and as there is usual 4 weekends in a month each unit gets one weekend a month.

Transport will be shared, Units such as the logistics or Yeomanry which normally have more than bedfords and landrovers will pretend that they are in their vehicles. The RMP (V) Will be issued with Blue lights to attach to the coolest vehicle they can lay their mitts on and will be allowed to stop any commandeer any TA vehicle that is better than they one they have and are relevantly licensed for. Commanding Officers however have the right to retain their vehicles.

The Soldiers of each unit will have their own rifle however it will be shared with 3 other soldiers from the TACs units, Effort will be made to ensure that soldiers with similar Colminator reads share a rifle to avoid zeroing issues.
Happy up to the bit where I share my rifle, it's mine OK, mine!!!!
 
#15
Jerrycan2793 said:
Of course its yours but you have to share! (I know it sounds communist but this can work)
Do we have a rifle substitute for days when I am sharing?
I am thinking GMPG or something half decent to take to the range.

Ranges, ah yes I remember them well happy days, soldiers getting paid, ammunition to shoot with, MATT level 2 etc , never mind back to normal come April!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#16
For the first stage of the sharing you will only be aware of your rifle being shared if you happen to share with a mong who hasnt cleaned it as you will not be sharing with someone who is parading on the same days as you.

In the latter stage when we move to 2 Soldiers 1 Rifle the soldier without the rifle will be equiped with his spoon and act as Assistant Rifleman/Ammo Bearer to the man with the Rifle. If the Man with the Rifle drops the Rifle the Ammo Bearer will pick up the rifle. Ammo Bearers and Riflemen will be expected to be competent on the Weapon system anyone unable to meet a set standard will be placed in a 2 Soldiers 2 Spoons section
 
#17
The regular army have missed the point of the TA again.
I joined my local unit, which I could walk to, and made some lifelong mates. Our kids go to the same schools, our wives join in the social side, and we form links the Regulars can never match, simply because we "serve" for sometimes 20+ years in our home town, where we grew up. I know of about a dozen instances of 2 generations serving along side each other.
The TA is a bunch of willing men and women who serve currently as a sort of "subs bench" for the Regulars. But their home is their TAC, among their mates. They do their duty, then return home and wait for the next call to arms. If the TA soldier has to travel out of his home environment to enlist, then less people do so, it's a fact that the nucleus of any unit lives in close proximity to the TAC.
So, we need a lot of TACs dotted about, with local ties, histories, and traditions.
Big "SuperTACs" will kill the TA
 
#18
If you look at the real estate and whose occupying what then there is scope to save a few bob and also make a few bob. Take a look at the RA units spread around Newcastle/Tyneside. There is a regular unit not too far out of the town with more real estate to shake a stick at. Co-locating the TA with their regular counterparts would be beneficial in many ways, although HDT might increase costs.

The RNR could up sticks and move down river to the RMR. After all they are both technically Naval based and HMS Calliope is sitting on a very valuable piece of land. Co-locating would be beneficial for training, non?

The QOY and Medics share a TAC already and the RE have just waved off the Signals so there is scope for another unit sharing there. The RE also have a detachment in Sunderland which is co-located with the medics and an RHQ in Gateshead. Technically speaking the whole lot could be located in the same TAC. The Inf and RMP also share a TAC.

So all in all there could be better utilisation of real estate with a few of the units, but a lot of the spread of the TACs are due to recruiting footprints and geographical boundaries such as the Tyne river (Geordies vs Macams) and historical local support going back to the colliery days.

It is only my own opinion, but long gone are the days were local groups of fellas joined up together and attended the TAC down the road. Many of the units have people who travel from afar to train. I am only talking from experience of my own unit and stand to be corrected in this regard.

Since pooling of transport and robbing of any decent equipment for deployment on Ops, or just centralisation of resources, many units do not need the vast empty vehicle parks unless they could be shared. I stop short of agreeing to sharing of bang sticks.
 

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#19
sleeps2go said:
Methinks the spadework for such could well be under way, why else would anybody in the capital have the faintest idea where Newcastle is, let alone how many TA units it supports!
Er......he's the local MP ( and graduated from Newkie Poly) so I imagine he has a reasonable idea of which county it is in.....mind you.....

The mindset is that of any business or local council financier;

" Why do we need all these separate locations? Wouldn't it make sense to pull them all together in one place? "

My bloke who knows a bloke who etc etc said the best bit was when he
( OurMin) gave his opinion that the Army had suckered the Govt into trying to put a ban on paid training....which in his opinion was a crafty bit of politicking ..." because they knew perfectly well that it wouldn't run..."

politicos, gotta love 'em...
 
#20
He has been briefed by some Regular officer who thinks he understands the TA 'cos he once heard a presentation given about Volunteer soldiering.

The Regs can see a whole load of Drill Halls/TACs which they think they can sell off if they co-locate everyone in one drill hall.

If I said

'All regulars are paid 365 days per year but when not on ops only work 5 days a week. Therefore we could achieve a 20% increase in troop availability and cost saving by making them work 6 days a week.'

I would be using the same logic as certain Regs are doing with the idea of putting everyone into one drill hall. Technically it would save money and would look as though something positive had been done. In the long term it would be a huge blow to both retention and recruitment.

The fact that it has been mooted suggests that there are still a lot of clueless people out there in MoD land.
 

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