Question- Lt Gen and Gen

#2
Edit it then. That's the pointof the wiki ;)

msr
 
#3
Sorry! Not too sure how to wiki-whacky this stuff. Thought there was a reason it was written that way, though :)
 
#4
RD,

It's easy. Just create an account on the wiki site (preferably the same as the one you use on this site, as the two are not linked) and make the changes you see fit. The changes are tracked and can be rolled back if necessary.

Fill yer boots!

msr
 
#5
A Four-star General would command an Army Group (this is a formation like so many others e.g. Platoon, Brigade, Division). In the event that a commander is in charge of a number of Army Groups or Armies, he would be a Five-star General , which is referred to by UK personnel as a Field Marshall.

Do not edit the wiki to say there is no such thing as you never know when this rank may be required again; I also believe we have several honorary Field Marshalls serving anyway...
 
#6
Hellfyyr,

If you actually bothered to read the wiki before you shot your gob off, you would find that it says there are no Field Marshalls.

Perhaps you should go and edit the wiki if you are not happy with its contents.

msr
 
#7
msr said:
Hellfyyr,

If you actually bothered to read the wiki before you shot your gob off, you would find that it says there are no Field Marshalls.

Perhaps you should go and edit the wiki if you are not happy with its contents.

msr
Shooting my gob off am I? MSR where is the crime in simply explaining the basis behind Field Marshal...

Since they never retire, I suppose this individual is not one of the thirteen or so we have:

Field Marshal Sir Peter Inge

I was simply answering a query, no need for you to be a c o c k about it was there; nor do I have to edit every wiki I know anything about!
 
#8
hellfyyr said:
A Four-star General would command an Army Group (this is a formation like so many others e.g. Platoon, Brigade, Division). In the event that a commander is in charge of a number of Army Groups or Armies, he would be a Five-star General , which is referred to by UK personnel as a Field Marshall.
A few points, not sure though.

1) Formations are a classification made up of Brigades, Divisions, Corps, Armies and Army Groups, and are commanded by a GOC. Not Platoons and Companies etc as they are units and have a CO.

2) I was always informed that Brigadiers were supposed to command Brigades, Major Generals Divisions, Lt Generals Corps, and that Generals commanded Armies, with Field Marshals commanding army groups or theatres. It can obviously vary, but the basic command for a General is the Army. An example would be Monty and the 21st Army Group, or Eisenhower commanding the SHAEF.

Please feel free to add this to the Wiki msr or anyone else, I won't in case im wrong.

Rab
 
#9
Xplosiverab said:
I was always informed that Brigadiers were supposed to command Brigades, Major Generals Divisions, Lt Generals Corps, and that Generals commanded Armies, with Field Marshals commanding army groups or theatres. It can obviously vary, but the basic command for a General is the Army. An example would be Monty and the 21st Army Group, or Eisenhower commanding the SHAEF.
The basic structure looks correct to me. I recall the French simplify it somewhat by referring to their Generals (of whatever grade) according to the formation they commanded - happy to be proven wrong on that one :D

On the issue of Field Marshals, the fact remains that the rank exists. It has not been removed nor as far as I understand will it - it has merely been suspended as a consequence of the military cuts in the early 90s. Makes a fair amount of sense from a bean counter perspective since it takes a high-ranking officer off the payroll (don't believe an FM can be sacked) and with an army of @100,000 we don't really have enough gravitas to support its usage.

Those persons that retain the rank appear to do so from a honorific (sic) perspective e.g. Phil the Greek or as a consequence of having served 40 odd years and finishing at the top of the tree pre 1990-something.

lancslad
 
#10
lancslad said:
Those persons that retain the rank appear to do so from a honorific (sic) perspective e.g. Phil the Greek or as a consequence of having served 40 odd years and finishing at the top of the tree pre 1990-something.

lancslad
Same with MRAF or Admiral of the Fleet, it seems to be a post you get promoted to upon retirement.

Oh, and the froggies seem to do it like "General de Brigade" or "General de Division" etc.
 
#11

always wondered why a Lt Gen has the insignia of a Majors crown & crossed swords & a Maj Gen has a LT's pip & crossed swords.
would it not be more logical to be the other way around?
& whos more senior, am I right in thinking that a Lt Gen's more seniour to a Maj Gen?
 
#13
press_it said:

always wondered why a Lt Gen has the insignia of a Majors crown & crossed swords & a Maj Gen has a LT's pip & crossed swords.
would it not be more logical to be the other way around?
& whos more senior, am I right in thinking that a Lt Gen's more seniour to a Maj Gen?
Your last assertion is right. Major General is a contraction of Sergeant Major General and therefore junior to a Lieutenant General.

Joe only got there first because he used abbreviations, dammit!
 
#14
press_it said:

always wondered why a Lt Gen has the insignia of a Majors crown & crossed swords & a Maj Gen has a LT's pip & crossed swords.
would it not be more logical to be the other way around?
& whos more senior, am I right in thinking that a Lt Gen's more seniour to a Maj Gen?
Bizarely Major General is short for Sargeant-Major General and is therefore junior to a Lieutenant General. Not that it was every called a Sgt Maj General in British service. I think it was something we copied off the Swedes in the 17th century. (or possibly the Dutch).
 
#17
Lasalle said:
Do the three of us have nothing better to do at 11.20 at night?

if you are stuck on duty like some of us, then nope! :)
 
#18
As a matter of interest: Field-Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery was the 1st head of NATO (which he helped to found). He built his reputation as the only British General to never lose a battle (we'll ignore Arnhem, OK?) NATO - which still exists today - went into the history books as the only undefeated military formation in history. (Well - it won the Cold War.) Cheers.
Cliff.
 
#19
Almost sure it was Cromwell who first introduced the rank of Sgt Major General, but not sure if he copied the continental system or not. Always thought the most peculiar rank was Corporal of Horse as the Blues and Royals call their sgts. Has to be a Cromwellian term if ever you heard one...
Come to think of it I don't remember hearing that the NMA ever addressed them as Sgt Maj Generals either.
 
#20
the chief of the military comitte in nato is a field marshal or is when its our turn and its manned by the army the last one was there in 1993 i dont know when he finished but he was a very nice man.
 
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