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qman

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#1
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.
 
#2
Ask the school to organise a St Georges Day event and see what happens.
 
#3
I'm not entirely sure exactly what the law says these days, but, there are things that a parent can require that their child takes no part in. Sex education and acts of religious worship, (ie a religious assembly with prayers as opposed to a lesson about religion) are the ones that spring to mind.

I'm no god-botherer, but what exactly is wrong about knowing something of the religion, customs, cultures, and values of other peoples/communities as well as your own?
 
#4
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.
I think that as long as these are done as part of a cultural/religious understanding process rather than as a promotion of one cultur/faith thing then they are non optional.

Foe example in the dim and distant past when I was at school left footers and our one hindu were excused morning assembly as that was a religiousceremony, but were not excused religious education as that was not based specifically in one faith. So it is OK to be taught what Dwali is but not to have to take part.
 
#5
abeaumont said:
I'm not entirely sure exactly what the law says these days, but, there are things that a parent can require that their child takes no part in. Sex education and acts of religious worship, (ie a religious assembly with prayers as opposed to a lesson about religion) are the ones that spring to mind.

I'm no god-botherer, but what exactly is wrong about knowing something of the religion, customs, cultures, and values of other peoples/communities as well as your own?
It's a good idea... know thine enemy is a very important principle.
 
#6
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.[/quote]

Do you not think it would be helpful for your children to experience other cultures and how they worship etc? It may stop them growing up with the same views that you seem to display?
 
#8
The_Cad said:
abeaumont said:
I'm not entirely sure exactly what the law says these days, but, there are things that a parent can require that their child takes no part in. Sex education and acts of religious worship, (ie a religious assembly with prayers as opposed to a lesson about religion) are the ones that spring to mind.

I'm no god-botherer, but what exactly is wrong about knowing something of the religion, customs, cultures, and values of other peoples/communities as well as your own?
It's a good idea... know thine enemy is a very important principle.
"Keep your friends close..but your enemy even closer" (Sun Tzu)...you know that walt that cnut marineX or whatever is on about
 
#9
I'd prefer if they spent some time actually teaching the chavs how to read and write.
 
#10
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days?
Hmmmmm, hope you dont teach your child to spell or talk.


qman said:
I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.
I believe each school has different rules, so you would need to speak directly to them. However as already pointed out unless they are forcing a religion onto your child I dont see the problem with your child learning about it. After all isnt that why she goes to school, for education!
 
#11
mediumwhiteamericano said:
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.


Do you not think it would be helpful for your children to experience other cultures and how they worship etc? It may stop them growing up with the same views that you seem to display?


So you are perfectly happy with your children being taught fairy tales and superstion and how it has a bearing on the life of some credulous peasant on the other side of the world instead of using the time in a more constructive manner?

Still I suppose the fact that said peasant is likely to a) turn up in town demanding his rights or b) get invaded by us some time in the near future then knowing why they are allowed to riutally slaughter their children on every third month with a q in it might be of some use I suppose.
 
#12
mediumwhiteamericano said:
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.[/quote]

Do you not think it would be helpful for your children to experience other cultures and how they worship etc? It may stop them growing up with the same views that you seem to display?
What views are they then? And while we are on the subject I refer you to the key point of my last post

I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religios claptrap
So turn your 'fascistometer' off and stop panicking. Not intended to start a flame about other religions etc Simple question requiring a simple answer! Why must you liberal types always read between the lines and see problems where there are none. It's you who seem to be displaying 'views'......blimkered ones at that!
 
#13
Steven said:
mediumwhiteamericano said:
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.


Do you not think it would be helpful for your children to experience other cultures and how they worship etc? It may stop them growing up with the same views that you seem to display?


So you are perfectly happy with your children being taught fairy tales and superstion and how it has a bearing on the life of some credulous peasant on the other side of the world instead of using the time in a more
constructive manner?

Still I suppose the fact that said peasant is likely to a) turn up in town demanding his rights or b) get invaded by us some time in the near future then knowing why they are allowed to riutally slaughter their children on every third month with a q in it might be of some use I suppose.


There are plenty of people who would argue that all religion is "fairy tales and superstition", including the religions in this country. Define constructive. How would you set the curriculum for your child? What are the basic foundations you would want your child to come away with?

Is it not important that children are provided with the opportunity to make up their own minds rather than have the views of older, more cynical types forced upon them?
 
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mediumwhiteamericano said:
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.
Do you not think it would be helpful for your children to experience other cultures and how they worship etc? It may stop them growing up with the same views that you seem to display?
OH FFSMS. He was saying that he didn't want his kids exposed to ANY religion at school. What is wrong with that?
 
#17
qman said:
mediumwhiteamericano said:
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.[/quote]

Do you not think it would be helpful for your children to experience other cultures and how they worship etc? It may stop them growing up with the same views that you seem to display?
What views are they then? And while we are on the subject I refer you to the key point of my last post

I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religios claptrap
So turn your 'fascistometer' off and stop panicking. Not intended to start a flame about other religions etc Simple question requiring a simple answer! Why must you liberal types always read between the lines and see problems where there are none. It's you who seem to be displaying 'views'......blimkered ones at that!
Qman, Perception Trumps Intention so I am sorry if I jumped on the bandwagon. However, you're the one who mentioned that you didn't want your child to endure any religious claptrap that doesnt impact etc.

All I was pointing out is that why is it such an issue if she did?

Liberal Types? Feck that mate :D
 
#18
mediumwhiteamericano said:
Steven said:
mediumwhiteamericano said:
qman said:
Whats the score wif skool these days? I've heard stories that children are required to take part in 'multi-cultural' events such as Dvali etc. Would I get into trouble for asking that my children be allowed to 'miss' these subjects and activities out. I don't want my kids to 'endure' any religous claptrap let alone one that has no bearing on their laws or culture.
Do you not think it would be helpful for your children to experience other cultures and how they worship etc? It may stop them growing up with the same views that you seem to display?
So you are perfectly happy with your children being taught fairy tales and superstion and how it has a bearing on the life of some credulous peasant on the other side of the world instead of using the time in a more
constructive manner?

Still I suppose the fact that said peasant is likely to a) turn up in town demanding his rights or b) get invaded by us some time in the near future then knowing why they are allowed to riutally slaughter their children on every third month with a q in it might be of some use I suppose.
There are plenty of people who would argue that all religion is "fairy tales and superstition", including the religions in this country. Define constructive. How would you set the curriculum for your child? What are the basic foundations you would want your child to come away with?

Is it not important that children are provided with the opportunity to make up their own minds rather than have the views of older, more cynical types forced upon them?
Exactly right. I cannot wait until my daughter asks me which religion is the right one. I can then explain why it is all a load of old bollox (which no teacher would have taught her about yet). Then explain you have to pick which one you like the best. :wink:

Maybe as someone said above, if EVERYONE was taught about ALL religions, we would all be a lot better off.
 
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mediumwhiteamericano said:
There are plenty of people who would argue that all religion is "fairy tales and superstition", including the religions in this country. Define constructive. How would you set the curriculum for your child? What are the basic foundations you would want your child to come away with?

Is it not important that children are provided with the opportunity to make up their own minds rather than have the views of older, more cynical types forced upon them?
It is possible that all religions are superstitious claptrap. Children should not be expected to "make their own minds up" on this subject. They are too young. Do you expect them to make their own minds up on gravity or electricity, spelling. grammer, arithmatic?

I want my children to be taught how to read write and do basic maths at junior school. A little PE is also good. Possibly a foreign language.
More subjects in secondary education. But be damned to diversity, religion, sexual identity etc.
 
#20
Perturbed said:
mediumwhiteamericano said:
There are plenty of people who would argue that all religion is "fairy tales and superstition", including the religions in this country. Define constructive. How would you set the curriculum for your child? What are the basic foundations you would want your child to come away with?

Is it not important that children are provided with the opportunity to make up their own minds rather than have the views of older, more cynical types forced upon them?
It is possible that all religions are superstitious claptrap. Children should not be expected to "make their own minds up" on this subject. They are too young. Do you expect them to make their own minds up on gravity or electricity, spelling. grammer, arithmatic?

Yes, they are given the facts, theories and expected to come to their own conclusion.

I want my children to be taught how to read write and do basic maths at junior school. A little PE is also good. Possibly a foreign language.
More subjects in secondary education. But be damned to diversity, religion, sexual identity etc.
When would you see them learning about all the things you've just trashed then?

Points to Note: I am not looking for a slagging match or point scoring exercise ok?
 

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