Question for any policemen - what is this culture change?

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  1. I wnt to a seminar this moprning and met a fellow delgate who was a "trainer" with the Met. When asked to say what was the problem she was trying to addreessshe said that she was part of a "culture change Programme" which was trying to change th police culture from a "Transactional" Culture to a "Transformational" culture.

    What is this about? (Other than the obvious statement of clear managamanent psychobabble and good money for whatever consultants are being paid to deliver it.) I thought coppers were there to arrest people who broke the law. Not sure I am comfortable with pol,ice having a different role.

    Can someone explain what this is about in words an old duffer can understand and what it means to us members of the public?
  2. I'm not a copper ( no sh1t Sherlock ) but this may help.

    DIVERSITY, by Rocketeer.

    It'll make you laugh and cry. E mail it to colleagues (yes!) and it'll get you the sack/denazification training etc. if you don't cover your tracks.

    Walls have ears. Diversers are everywhere! :wink:
  3. msr

    msr LE

    Yes, it means jobs for the boys and consultants who can be blamed when things don't work out.


  4. Ahhhh! good question.
    First clue should be in the title of 'trainer'.
    This is in fact what used to be known as an 'instructor'. However the modern police service does not approve of it's staff being 'instructed' what to do. They would rather have a debate over it and find out 'how do we feel about that' Pretty handy tactic when you are called to a pub fight or to a fatal RTA!
    There is a definate move to eradicate traditional values and especially discipline, hence at the training schools, there are no longer parades, drill, etc, but a great emphasis on diversity and equal opportunities.
    Effect of this that when recruits reach 'the streets' they are totally unprapared for what they face. They themselves, inthe majority, will admit that.
    Many are from sheltered backgrounds nowadays ie not many are now ex HM forces, ex pit, ex steelworks and, as an example, many have never been in a fight in their lives, even at school. Some cannot cope with some of the things they encounter, therfore wastage is getting higher and corruption, because these kids are not streetwise, is getting more prevelant as they get trapped and make stupid mistakes. (Check out recent news stories!)
    Key figures such as recruiting sergeants and Supers' as heads of personnel are long gone. You can now go through the process of being recruited into the police without ever encountering a police officer!
    The process is run by staff who are not police officers and have no idea what the job involves or the demands.
    Does discipline matter - yes, just a bit, same as in any job. Due to piss poor discipline no one can ever be bothered to check and replenish the first aid kits in police cars. Absolutely basic you would think but now often ignored. A bottle of Optrex and an eye bath is pretty useless at the scene of a stabbing! When the unfortunate copper got shot in Leeds, the content of the first aid kit in the panda was non existant, may not have made a big difference but the off duty nurse who happened to be passing said it might have saved him. WPC in Met' got stabbed in the neck and killed cos' she couldn't lift the 'Rammit' with her stab proof vest on so she took it off. Sgt couldn't give the job to the biggest bloke there cos' of equal ops'.
    Bottom line is, that, whilst they may want to change the 'culture' of the police the 'culture' of the public they police is not changing that much ie We're British, we get drunk and have fought outside pubs in 1720 1820 1929 1970 and will be doing so in 2020!
    It's gonna get a lot worse!

  5. You really do post some reactionary drivel about the place. Please desist! Give in to the culture of change and the long overdue advance towards a civilised society.

    p.s. What's a diverser?
  6. This might give a pointer to the difference between the two. Anyone just joining the Upper 6th at Shrivenham will soon start hearing people talking about transformational and transactional styles of leadership (that'll cheer them up no end....)

    "Sergiovanni (1992:41-45) succinctly draws the distinction between the two: in a transactional culture “what gets rewarded gets done” while in a transformational culture “what is rewarding gets done”. As the name suggests, a transactional culture is based around expectations of exchange and reward.

    Members belong to an organisation because the rewards they receive equal or exceed the investment of time and effort they are called upon to make. In such organisations managers obtain compliance from members by offering an appropriate mix of economic, political or psychological incentives. This style of leadership works best when both leaders and followers understand and agree on the key tasks to be performed. The leader’s task is to keep members working on task by rewarding high performance and sanctioning poor performance.

    In a transformational culture, on the other hand, members are committed to the mission of the organisation and work to achieve those objectives. What we believe in, think to be good, and feel obligated to do gets done. Transformational leadership arises when leaders are more concerned about gaining general commitment and participation from institutional members than they are about getting particular tasks done. Sergiovanni (1996:14) associates transformational leadership with “compacts and commitment” and transactional leadership with “treaties and contracts”."

    - from David Stewart, 'Thinking about Principalship' at (cited merely for good form, not on assumption that anyone will actually want to read it...)
  7. I was doing that on CLM this year. I assume it's to do with the police trying to deter crime and change attitudes through positive reinforcement etc, rather than sit back, wait for the crime to occur, then pounce.

    I wonder how much the Culture Change Program is costing us the taxpayer?
  8. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    Got this one in my email this morning and thought it might amuse (except for the cheese eating surrender monkey naturally).

    **The original story of the ant and the grasshopper**

    The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

    The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

    **And now the modern New Zealand version**

    The ant (regular type Kiwis) works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper (who was probably born into a family reliant on support) thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and plays (XBox and video games while gorging on McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken) the summer away.

    Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

    The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate like him are cold and starving.

    TV1 and TV3 show up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper, with cuts to a video clip of the ant in his comfortable warm home (which isn't subject to a commission of inquiry into LEAKY HOUSE syndrome) with a table filled with food.

    Kiwis are stunned that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty. LABOUR supporters, the Greens and the NZ MAORI PARTY (who say the house is on an ancient MIDDEN and it's their land) demonstrate in front of the ant's house.

    TV1, interrupting an Maori cultural festival special from Waikato with breaking news, broadcasts them singing "We Shall Overcome."

    Helen Clark and Ruth Dyson rant and rave in an interview with Paul Holmes that the ant has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share" In response to polls, the Labour Government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti-Discrimination Act, retrospective to the beginning of the summer.

    It is quickly passed through Parliament. (passed under urgency at 11:45pm when most honest people are asleep).

    The ant's taxes are reassessed and he is also fined for failing to hire grass hoppers as helpers.

    Without enough money to pay both the fine and his newly imposed retrospective taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government. (and place it into the TREATY of WAITANGI settlement.)

    The ant moves to Australia, and starts a successful agribiz company.

    The TV stations later show the now fat grasshopper finishing up the last of the ant's food though Spring is still months away, while the government owned house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house crumbles around him because he hadn't maintained it.

    Inadequate government funding is blamed, and now retired Prime Minister Dame Helen Clark (also known as Sir Helen) is appointed to head a commission of inquiry that will cost $10,000,000. (Where have we heard that before)? The abandoned house is taken over by a gang of immigrant spiders, praised by the government for enriching New Zealand's multicultural diversity, who promptly terrorize the community.
    The grasshopper is soon dead of a drug overdose.

    The New Zealand Herald blames it on obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity.

    The Spiders await a Legal Aide cheque to assist them to bring their 20,000 brothers and sisters to New Zealand, and to sue Social Welfare and Family Support citing the $2,000 weekly benefit as being inadequate.
  9. Frenchperson: We know that you are a tw@t, no need to prove it all the time. I find it sad that you use multiple accounts to post on this site. If you have a doctor's note showing that you have multiple personalities then you are only allowed one login name per character!

    Now bugger off and play Devil's advocate somewhere else.
  10. Ord_Sgt,


    Thats an interesting metaphor. Agree with some of the sentiment.
  11. It's management b0llocks that is everywhere. The greatest thoughtcrime nowadays (other than the race/gender/gay/criticising the Dear Leader stuff that is punished by execution and airbrushing from history is standing in the way of "change".

    "Change" is the desire of management to fcuk up the lives of those who actually do the work by getting them to do more for less. Needless to say, such "change" requires more resources than the actual output or product of the organisation does, in the form of "consultants" and "managers". Moreover, these "consultants" and "managers" are not subject to "change" themselves which gives rise to the question "who changes the changers?"

    Finally, if the quality of the product or output suffers then it means one of two things:

    1. The "change" is working and vast improvements are round the corner.
    2. The "change" is not working because of resistance to it and more "change" is needed.

    Successful "changers" who completely fcuk up organisations end up being promoted and can even aspire to the lofty heights of the House of Lords as the Blue Skies Thinker of the Dear Leader, when they can "change" the entire country!
  12. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    ...Pot, this is me? Over ?

    FP, I have yet to read in any of your output a single sentence I agreed with.....why do you haunt this place since you obviously have rock all knowledge of the Services OR French......and you give La Veuve a bad name - tais toi bete !

    Seadog's dit at least made me chortle.....instead of pontificating to the assembled lip-curling ARRSErs, try posting a Friday joke.

    Le Chevre
  13. Ord_ Sgt
    That was so good. Thanks for sharing-many a trua word spoken in jest.
  14. Whatever happened to

    Police officers guard, watch and patrol in order to

    Protect life and property
    Preserve order
    Prevent crime and detect offenders

  15. I too am a serving Police Officer ( well for another 25 days), and I agree with everything Gerrard said.