Queen's Own Yeomanry

#1
Having just finished University and (rather luckily, considering the current climate) having fallen into a job, I thought a suitable use of my spare time might be to join the TA.

I have had a quick look around, I thought I might look into the Yeomanry, my nearest Squadron being C, the FFY / SH based in Cupar.

If I did go for the TA, I would probably want to try for Officer. However, having had a look on the internet I am unable to find any pictures of the C Sqn mess dress.

I know most Yeomanry mess kits tend to be quite gaudy, and whilst this isn't necessarily a problem, there is the associated cost. I don't want to look like a prat for not being able to afford the correct gubbins. Would each squadron have their own kit, or is it a QOY standard mess dress I would have to get?

Forgive my considerable ignorance, but are young officers expected to wear Mess Kit at formal do's? If they are (or even if they are not!), could anyone give me an idea of what I might be getting myself into, with regards to either cost or style?!

Many thanks in advance, any advice would be very much appreciated.
 
#2
The QOY havent formalised across the regiment on a mess dress yet as far as im aware they are still using the mess dress from their forbearers eg Yorkshire Yeomanry Etc...
 
#3
Having just finished University and (rather luckily, considering the current climate) having fallen into a job, I thought a suitable use of my spare time might be to join the TA.

I have had a quick look around, I thought I might look into the Yeomanry, my nearest Squadron being C, the FFY / SH based in Cupar.

If I did go for the TA, I would probably want to try for Officer. However, having had a look on the internet I am unable to find any pictures of the C Sqn mess dress.

I know most Yeomanry mess kits tend to be quite gaudy, and whilst this isn't necessarily a problem, there is the associated cost. I don't want to look like a prat for not being able to afford the correct gubbins. Would each squadron have their own kit, or is it a QOY standard mess dress I would have to get?

Forgive my considerable ignorance, but are young officers expected to wear Mess Kit at formal do's? If they are (or even if they are not!), could anyone give me an idea of what I might be getting myself into, with regards to either cost or style?!

Many thanks in advance, any advice would be very much appreciated.
Not being funny fella but I would worry about doing your training and getting a commission before getting concerned about what mess dress you wear...

If you haven't even joined yet, it will be some time before you need to worry about shelling out on a mess dress. As an officer cadet I wouldn't think you'll require any, just a DJ and a haircut.
 
#4
Not being funny fella but I would worry about doing your training and getting a commission before getting concerned about what mess dress you wear...
On the contrary, he demonstrates exactly the correct priorities required of a Cavalry Officer. In fact, I would strongly urge him to consider a regular commission.
 

Caecilius

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#5
Having just finished University and (rather luckily, considering the current climate) having fallen into a job, I thought a suitable use of my spare time might be to join the TA.

I have had a quick look around, I thought I might look into the Yeomanry, my nearest Squadron being C, the FFY / SH based in Cupar.

If I did go for the TA, I would probably want to try for Officer. However, having had a look on the internet I am unable to find any pictures of the C Sqn mess dress.

I know most Yeomanry mess kits tend to be quite gaudy, and whilst this isn't necessarily a problem, there is the associated cost. I don't want to look like a prat for not being able to afford the correct gubbins. Would each squadron have their own kit, or is it a QOY standard mess dress I would have to get?

Forgive my considerable ignorance, but are young officers expected to wear Mess Kit at formal do's? If they are (or even if they are not!), could anyone give me an idea of what I might be getting myself into, with regards to either cost or style?!

Many thanks in advance, any advice would be very much appreciated.
I have two friends who are currently serving as officers in yeomanry regiments (different ones) and both reckon that they couldn't dpeloy any of their blokes on ops in their actual role. They end up doing a specific technical job instead, but its also one which involves a lot of staring at TV screens all day. If you like the idea of doing Rommel impressions (completely understandable) then go ahead, but if you want to deploy in role then you should consider going for TA inf or RE instead.
 
#6
As has been suggested already, pass your training first, in fact pass your selection board.
IIRC C Sqn has rather a lot of young officers already.
Visit them and find out.
 
#7
On the contrary, he demonstrates exactly the correct priorities required of a Cavalry Officer. In fact, I would strongly urge him to consider a regular commission.
But a proper Cavalry Officer would have his father's or (okay, the regimental amalgamations have a lot to be sorry about) his grand-father's Mess Kit ready to hand?
 
#9
Many thanks for the advice, I will certainly try and pop down on a drill night.

Apologies if I sounded like a dick with rather wayward priorities. I just didn't (should I ever pass through any of the selection and training processes) want to be ostracised simply for lack of funds. I doubted it would be so, but, knowing very little of the upper echelons of army rank, I thought I would enquire first to those that do.

Caecilius, thanks for your comment, I will maybe check out some infantry units too. I believe the Black Watch is also fairly near by.
 
#10
Many thanks for the advice, I will certainly try and pop down on a drill night.

Apologies if I sounded like a dick with rather wayward priorities. I just didn't (should I ever pass through any of the selection and training processes) want to be ostracised simply for lack of funds. I doubted it would be so, but, knowing very little of the upper echelons of army rank, I thought I would enquire first to those that do.

Caecilius, thanks for your comment, I will maybe check out some infantry units too. I believe the Black Watch is also fairly near by.

For fucks sake what ever you do do not join the Watch, If the tankies cant take you, ask the RA or the RAMC. Just do not join the
Watch. Nothing against them but they hang around with tubes and drink tea while ehm talk about tubes.
 
#11
Where exactly are you AC?
2 Signal Sqn in Dundee are always looking for fresh talent for our unique role.
PM me for more info if required.
Billy
 

the_boy_syrup

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#13
I have two friends who are currently serving as officers in yeomanry regiments (different ones) and both reckon that they couldn't dpeloy any of their blokes on ops in their actual role. They end up doing a specific technical job instead, but its also one which involves a lot of staring at TV screens all day. If you like the idea of doing Rommel impressions (completely understandable) then go ahead, but if you want to deploy in role then you should consider going for TA inf or RE instead.
I know lads from the Yeomanry who have deployed with the HCR and other recce units on Ops
Maybe not doing the roaming 60k in front looking for the enemy bit but neither are the regular counterparts
 
#14
Anyone who refers to "formal do's" probably also speaks of "black tie foonctions" & is unlikely to be accepted as a Yeomanry Officer. Try the RAF(VR), the Crabs issue Mess Dress ;)
 

Caecilius

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#15
I know lads from the Yeomanry who have deployed with the HCR and other recce units on Ops
Maybe not doing the roaming 60k in front looking for the enemy bit but neither are the regular counterparts
It seems that experiences may differ between the regiments. I do know of at least one YO who has done FTRS with HCav, and one who transferred in full time from the Yeomanry so my statement above is certainly not right in all cases.
 
#17
Just go and see them.

Its not an entirely stupid thing to worry about, there was a time that being a subby in the QOY was a very expensive (and very enjoyable) business, not so much the mess kit but the spectacular mess bills - you certainly expected to lose money on the deal. However even then mess kit wasn't a problem - DJ fine till you can sort something out - people will find / lend you stuff - I don't remember anyone, who didn't want to, having to shell out for new.

Great people whether you stay in the ranks or go for a commission. Officers mess not nearly as socially exclusive as the rest of the TA seems to enjoy fantasising about.
 
#19
It seems that experiences may differ between the regiments. I do know of at least one YO who has done FTRS with HCav, and one who transferred in full time from the Yeomanry so my statement above is certainly not right in all cases.
It is at the minute, the yeomanry's job on herrick (staring at tv monitors) and until the RA take the job back, it is unlikely most yeoman could even get a job in a FR regt doing something more interesting. Another fact is this current task requires alot of manpower for each tour, TA Inf are far superior in numbers than the yeomanry so pound for pound the yeomanry are deploying more than any other arm or corp
 
#20
Many thanks for the advice, I will certainly try and pop down on a drill night.

Apologies if I sounded like a dick with rather wayward priorities. I just didn't (should I ever pass through any of the selection and training processes) want to be ostracised simply for lack of funds. I doubted it would be so, but, knowing very little of the upper echelons of army rank, I thought I would enquire first to those that do.

Caecilius, thanks for your comment, I will maybe check out some infantry units too. I believe the Black Watch is also fairly near by.
Ignore the planks who aren't on the QOY who haven't a clue, we do deploy on opp's in role I'm just off on Herrick 15 as a crew gunner with the QDG's but then I'm only a lowly non comm. Our troop leader is off to play the grunting game with the PWRR. You'll have to either join the Officer training Corps at uni and commission through them, or join as a trooper do the ordinary guy's training and then apply to go on for Officer training which can take a few years and then you might fail the final commissioning board and not get it anyway. Also one thing to bear in mind the QOY is the wealthiest regiment in the British army, this is due to all the landed ex regular officers that we have and they play the big money game that you'll have to try and keep up with once you start going up the rank's.
 

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