QUEENS GUARDS BEG ON STREETS.

#1
The's a photo in the paper of a Coldstreamer in the paper with a collections bucket.
Non story IMHO because the RIR & IG have been doing this for ages,flogging wristbands ect.
Opinions Chaps?
http://express.co.uk/posts/view/147268/Queen-s-guards-beg-on-streets

BRITISH soldiers are being forced to beg for cash from Christmas shoppers to help pay for the funerals of fallen comrades.

The sight of men of the Queen’s Coldstream Guards standing in shopping centres asking for money was last night branded a disgrace.

Critics hit out at the Government for forcing the heroes on to the streets with collection tins because they believe the families of those killed or injured are not being fully supported.

Conservative MP Patrick Mercer, a former Army officer, said: “The fact that this Government has turned its fighting men into beggars is a national disgrace.

"All our soldiers’ needs and the needs of their families should be taken care of by a Government that is proud of its fighting men.

"We should not have to put our hands in our pockets to help pay for the cost of a funeral or for a mother to visit her injured son in hospital.

“These Coldstreamers should not be out with the begging bowl on the Sunday before Christmas. The Government should be paying these costs.”

Tory MP Philip Davies said: “It’s utterly shameful that our soldiers are forced to beg for the most basic welfare provisions after risking their lives in Afghanistan. We should hang our heads in shame.”

The outrage emerged after troops from the Coldstream Guards were seen taking up positions in full battle dress over the weekend to ask the public for donations.

The soldiers were seeking money to help families pay for funerals, to allow relatives to make hospital visits to see the injured and to convert houses for disabled servicemen.

The appeal, Support The Coldstream Guards in Afghanistan, is one of many charities set up to try to help alleviate the financial burden on servicemen’s families.

But last night there was anger that Britain’s heroes are being forced to beg for support that should be provided by the Government.

The Coldstream Guards, famous for their role in guarding the Queen in their distinctive red tunics, black bearskins and Garter Star, are one of a growing number of regiments which have taken to appealing directly to the public for financial help.

The regiment, whose motto is “Second To None”, launched the campaign to coincide with their tour of duty in Afghanistan, which ends in April 2010.

Their website says the appeal has four basic aims: to assist the families of those killed in action and help with funeral costs beyond what support the Army provides; to support those injured with costs incurred to make alterations to houses; to support families of those currently deployed; and to provide support to soldiers returning from operations.

Donors are urged to spend a minimum of £2 on a red and white wristband.

Yesterday shoppers outside the Harrods store in Knightsbridge, west London, were putting £5 and £10 notes in the soldiers’ collection bucket.

And on Saturday donations poured in to collectors in Sloane Square, Chelsea. So far the fund has raised £41,000.

Some people, however, were aghast that they had been asked for a donation to help pay for a hero’s funeral.

The mother of a British soldier recently returned from Afghanistan told the Daily Express: “Funerals should not be paid for out of charity. That is wrong.”

Last night the Ministry of Defence said it provided “robust” support to the families of soldiers killed or injured.

An MoD spokeswoman said: “The MoD places a very high priority on the welfare of its service personnel and their families.

“To that end, the MoD has robust procedures in place to support immediate family members of service personnel who are killed or injured while on operations, including help with funeral costs and travel expenses.

"There is always more that can be done, however, and we welcome all offers of charitable support for our personnel.”
 
#2
I reckon you must trawl the papers daily to see what you can cut and paste onto ARRSE
 
#3
On the subject of begging has anyone seen that foreign walt beggar on the bridge at Southbank? Spanish I think, wearing some foreign camo jacket and DPM trousers with some foreign gongs hanging off him. I threw stones at him last time. Go home!
 
#5
lucille said:
On the subject of begging has anyone seen that foreign walt beggar on the bridge at Southbank? Spanish I think, wearing some foreign camo jacket and DPM trousers with some foreign gongs hanging off him. I threw stones at him last time. Go home!
No, no..that's the chap who has a sign "Goose Green veteran"...Argentine I think.

:evil:
 
#6
I wonder about next year when the Tories get in how these Right Wing papers are going to spin all these stories out?

It'll be Queens Guards on PR exercise, collecting for charidee then!
 
#7
This has made me angry - what utter BALLS!

The system pays for relatives to vist Selly Oak for those seriously wonded - it's called DILFOR - Dangerously Ill Fowarding of Relatives - all expenses paid for by the MoD.

Funerals - at public expense, military version. However if you want 200 friends and family flown to Thailand for a ceremony on the beach, with Elton John singing Candle in the Wind, forget about it.

Accomodation conversion - same - at public expense. Most units are converting some of their SLA.

Shoppers outside Harrods may have been less generous if they were informed that their cash is probably going towards buying the latest IPOD for the boys.

I have no problem with the Guards raising additional cash ( in additon to the CO's fund for example, again funded from the public purse), but if any of the Tom's rattling tins were stretching the truth, then they need to be gripped.

In fact, if you hear of any "grieving relatives" asking for cash in order to visit wounded soldiers, ask them why they aren't receiving DILFOR from the system ....... you might just find that the wounded Tom doesn't want them anywhere near them !!!!
 
#8
Funerals of soldiers, whether they be non/full military, are paid for by the army. What further funeral costs, is the article referring to?
 
#9
What a load of bo$$ocks.

They are probably raising monies for their Colonels fund, below is from the Scots Guards Colonels fund webpage:

Immediate and short term duty of care lies with the Ministry of Defence, and thereafter with appropriate Government Departments. There are also a number of charities, such as SSAFA, the Army Benevolent Fund and Help for Heroes that do much to support wounded soldiers and their families. But some of the necessary welfare support, both immediate and long term, will always have to be provided from our Regimental charitable funds. Operational commitments will unfortunately place significantly greater demands on these already fully committed funds than the Regiment is likely to be able to provide.
 
#10
Funerals are paid for, but there are always additional expenses for which it would not be reasonable to charge the public purse. These include such things as flowers, orders of service, transport for relatives other than 'immediate family' and functions before / after the service. The money from this campaign, like the many others run by other regiments, will be used for this sort of thing and to provide additional support to families whilst the Bn is away (trips for the wives and kids etc.) and to contribute to some excellent AT / sports trips when we get back. Welfare and wounded cases arising from the tour will also receive help - there are always small (or larger) things for which it's helpful to have a fund of our own at the Commanding Officer's disposal.

None of it, however, will be spent on 'ipods for the boys'. I've no idea how or where the Express got their latest piece of crap journalism, but it's a non-story. Perhaps it was poorly-expressed by a harassed Gdsm put on the spot - who knows? Nobody's going to be gripped and the public response has been extremely generous as, no doubt, other Bns doing something similar have found.

The support from public funds and treatment of our wounded and the families of those killed has been excellent, but, as everyone knows, there are things that one cannot reasonably expect to be covered but that we want to take off the families anyway. Regiments have always done this and have always sought donations to do so.
 
#11
Not really interested in the politics, additional funds will always be required for the welfare of Soldiers and dependants which cannot be met from any other source. In some ways it is easier to make a donation direct rather than log onto a website or attend an event.

Guardsmen were collecting in Euston Station last week; they looked smart and represented their Regiment and Division well.

On reflection I should have taken the proffered wristband for Ms YM Jnr, I 'm sure there will be another opportunity.

YM
 
#13
lucille said:
On the subject of begging has anyone seen that foreign walt beggar on the bridge at Southbank? Spanish I think, wearing some foreign camo jacket and DPM trousers with some foreign gongs hanging off him. I threw stones at him last time. Go home!
My bold - He been about for quite some time now. I noticed him about a year ago. I think he's East European and sits around with several others.

Bet you didn't throw stones at him though. They're not easily found in that zone, unless you came prepared. That's not very nice is it?
 
#14
smudge67 said:
I reckon you must trawl the papers daily to see what you can cut and paste onto ARRSE
Only the Express,which I read daily.
When I've finished reading it,I line Daisy's litter tray with it.I did try the Sun but she woul'nt sh1t on it...
 
#15
spike7451 said:
smudge67 said:
I reckon you must trawl the papers daily to see what you can cut and paste onto ARRSE
Only the Express,which I read daily.
When I've finished reading it,I line Daisy's litter tray with it.I did try the Sun but she woul'nt sh1t on it...
Frankly I would cut out the middle man and sh1t on the Express yourself.
 
#16
spike7451 said:
smudge67 said:
I reckon you must trawl the papers daily to see what you can cut and paste onto ARRSE
Only the Express,which I read daily.
When I've finished reading it,I line Daisy's litter tray with it.I did try the Sun but she woul'nt sh1t on it...
Haven't seen the Express for awhile, is Diana still dead?
 
#18
ShinyCapStar is the official unofficial website for the the Coldstream Guards and you can find it here:
ShinyCapStar

This is the link to the appeal:
Coldstream Wristbands

The stated aims are:
The wristband awareness campaign has been created with the following aims:

1. To assist the families of those members of the Battalion who are Killed In Action (support with funeral costs beyond what support the Army provides).

2. To support those injured on operations and their families (support with costs incurred to make alterations to houses if needed etc).

3. Support to families of those currently deployed (provide activities for families, wives and children to help them cope with separation).

4. Support to our soldiers returning from operations; facilitate their transition to normal life once more (money to be spent on adventure training & team building activities).
Some celebs have been wearing them too of late, even Terry Wogan apparently.

Two Coldstream funerals in recent weeks, neither of them in the Caribbean either I note.
 
#19
Exrivofrigido said:
Funerals are paid for, but there are always additional expenses for which it would not be reasonable to charge the public purse. These include such things as flowers, orders of service, transport for relatives other than 'immediate family' and functions before / after the service. The money from this campaign, like the many others run by other regiments, will be used for this sort of thing and to provide additional support to families whilst the Bn is away (trips for the wives and kids etc.) and to contribute to some excellent AT / sports trips when we get back. Welfare and wounded cases arising from the tour will also receive help - there are always small (or larger) things for which it's helpful to have a fund of our own at the Commanding Officer's disposal.

As well as paying most of the funeral costs , the MoD also provides a £500 grant to help cover these non-admissable expenses and offers to provide a headstone or urn plot marker at public expense if that is what the NOK want. If the family wish to make there own funeral arrangementts the MoD provides a larger grant but does not supply the headstone. As others have said, a typical Express non story.
 
#20
I find the comment by the MoD interesting;

"An MoD spokeswoman said: “The MoD places a very high priority on the welfare of its service personnel and their families."

...but not high enough a priority to spend money on the promised upgrades/repairs to accomodation.

Tut silly me. There is , apparently, a war on.

Who would have thought eh?
 

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