Queen Elizabeth class Aircraft Carriers

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  1. The Guardian has reported both carriers have been given the go-ahead after todays meeting.

    The FT also says Cameron has backed both carriers and that "His preferred option is to redesign the second vessel, delay production, and buy the conventional Joint Strike Fighter, rather than the planned jump-jet variant."

    To back this up Janes are saying:
    Converteam readies EMCAT for new UK Royal Navy aircraft carrier launch trials

    Converteam UK is working to complete a scaled-up design of its electromagnetic catapult (EMCAT) system that will be capable of launching the F-35C variant of the Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter from the UK Royal Navy's new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers. The company specialises in power conversion systems and has been contracted by the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) to develop a 100 m-long EMCAT design that could fit into a 1.5 m-deep well under the flight deck of a 65,000-ton carrier

    Jane's International Defence Review
  2. So, pretty much as I suggested on 5 Oct in the ‘Why we need a navy’ blah.

    F-35 buy is switched to CV which will mean (and justify) a minor delay to enable EMALS to be added to PoW. QEII remains helo only to replace Ocean.

    Result: UK looses a permanent fixed wing carrier capability but can share ops with allies whenever PoW is in refit.

  3. And there is no reason, eventually, that QE could not be refitted up to PoW standard.
  4. Good. Now, can we push for a couple of spare keels to be laid down, just as apprentice pieces you understand, they can come off the education budget.
  5. I would suggest that an EMALS retrofit to QEII is extremely unlikely.

    All of the atmospherics from Town over the last few months (if not frankly years following the French approach) suggests that we will probably be looking at the UK and French sharing a fixed wing carrier capability. They cannot afford a sister ship for CdG. It's fairly evident that QEII will replace Ocean and that makes sense to a degree. Meanwhile, it appears to be too late to add cat/trap to QEII and probably too early for EMALS anyway.

    I just cannot see an EMALS retrofit on QEII for many years (when is it due it's first refit?) if at all.

    For all it's faults, that was one advantage of F-35B in that it could have been operated from either carrier, irrespective of role.

  6. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    So the upshot is we end up with an operational fixed wing carrier in 2019/20 (ISD for POW is 2018 plus slippage, plus time to get the CAG operational) rather than 2016/17 and the biggest helicopter carrier in the world? And this is a successful use of my money?
  7. Depends if we go for F-35C or not. All the atmospherics suggest we will. RAF want it. RN want it. However, as I've said many times before, for all it's undoubted limitations, it could be argued that STOVL was a better deal for the RN in terms of how flexibly the 2 x CVF could be used.

    It's almost a no-win situation.

  8. seaweed

    seaweed LE Book Reviewer

    I have a nasty suspicion that one of the reasons we got into this ridiculous and ultimately highly wasteful F35B mess is that, because of the peremptory scrapping of our pukka fixed-wing FAA in the 70s, all the aviators in the game in the 90s were Harrier bods and none of this later generation of RN officers knew any better.
  9. Great news! Though apologises for slight derail, but how will the boats be powered? I believe they are not nuclear and can not understand why. If a learned gent could enlighten me it would be much appreciated.
  10. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    Cost, cost and cost. Nukes are expensive to run
  11. There is actually every chance that, eventually, QE will be upgraded to CATOBAR too. Was always in the design of the ships.
  12. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    IronDuke, do you work for RN PR or ADS by any chance?
  13. M_M suggested that he is some "RN Black ops" PR team the other day.

    I guess the Black lynx's are coming for you tooooo!!!
  14. Please allow for my lack of knowledge here, but it seems an issue we have had regarding any true joint helicopter force was putting standard airframes to sea, because of space / non folding rotors etc and therefore we would always have to have separate forces.

    Would the size of QE negate that issue and allow standard airframes to carry out protracted ops if that was what was required?
  15. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    I should be all right. I understand that their fuel allowance has been offered up as a saving in order to keep the carrier order