Quality of Permanent Staff

IIRC a SSgt attached to a TA unit (excellent WWII record) and had had much training in various UN tours and time in N Germany, but had developed a drinking problem of sorts (couldn't get enough) His new career in 'The Rocking Chair Rangers" involved teaching the lads the use of 106 recoil-less rifle and its attached 50 cal spotting rifle. The lads in the Support Coy were really chuffed at the attention and instruction from a grizzled old sweat and found this most jolly, especially at the all-ranks mess. Later at the annual camp and shine parade of TA chaps and now included some chappesses. The Support Coy were prancing about with their tank destroying Rarfle. To illustrate to admiring, new female members how well they could do, they sighted on the Padre's vehicle as it was bimbling about the perimeter road and the spotting rifle was triggered quickly followed by a bang, flash and then a succeeding another flash-bang as the round struck the Padre's front bumper fair and square, dead centre at a mere 400 yds! Padre was not filled with the Spirit of Forgiveness and demanded that heads must roll and sadly the grizzled vet of UN tours and Germany was quietly ushered off to another more forgiving unit like Artillery who didn't inadvertently play with live rounds!

no sense of humour of forgiveness then , some people.... Sky Pilot too.
 
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IIRC a SSgt attached to a TA unit (excellent WWII record) and had had much training in various UN tours and time in N Germany, but had developed a drinking problem of sorts (couldn't get enough) His new career in 'The Rocking Chair Rangers" involved teaching the lads the use of 106 recoil-less rifle and its attached 50 cal spotting rifle. The lads in the Support Coy were really chuffed at the attention and instruction from a grizzled old sweat and found this most jolly, especially at the all-ranks mess. Later at the annual camp and shine parade of TA chaps and now included some chappesses. The Support Coy were prancing about with their tank destroying Rarfle. To illustrate to admiring, new female members how well they could do, they sighted on the Padre's vehicle as it was bimbling about the perimeter road and the spotting rifle was triggered quickly followed by a bang, flash and then a succeeding another flash-bang as the round struck the Padre's front bumper fair and square, dead centre at a mere 400 yds! Padre was not filled with the Spirit of Forgiveness and demanded that heads must roll and sadly the grizzled vet of UN tours and Germany was quietly ushered off to another more forgiving unit like Artillery who didn't inadvertently play with live rounds!
Back around the turn off the century there was a massive logistic exercise and there were units Allez Uber de platz, I somehow managed to be located near an RLC unit who’s insane padre rocked up half way through the first week in his own car a Skoda iirc
Now week one consisted of sorting restocking and fixing pallets of simmo, so the RLC lads had spent the time up to that point doing nowt but strap pallets of simmo down,
it was decided by someone that the popemobile was inappropriate for a tactical exercise so a spare flat rack was whistled up and the popemobile was somehow bodie and doyeled onto it and the lads were given a pile of ratchet straps and some hessian and told to “camouflage“ the Skoda.
Que some discussions on how do you strap a civi car down, someone decided that it’s probably done the same as the simmo so they did a cracking job with the straps and hessian then someone had the great idea of putting a strap over the roof to stop it bouncing about, when the padre saw his crushed car he had what can only be described as an epic sense of humour failure and some very unreligious things were said to the blokes responsible
 

Mr_Relaxed

War Hero
The thought of no bangy tours, no shitty duties, no fecking Toms to get out of nick, or who could drop you or themselves in it on a weekly if not daily basis - and a chance to be home to the moosus and kids 3 out of 7 days most weeks, a good pi55 ups most Drill nights and Mess Meetings ,made it a sunshine posting, you just needed the right attitude, awareness of the TA Bod skill sets as Part time Toms and civvies - and self discipline .
But it's also interesting how a TA tour can affect JNCO's. I can't recall many CO's drivers who stayed in the Regulars much longer after their 3 years with us.

As one of them put it, when you're regularly on drinking terms with the RSM and the PSI's who are all WO2's and SSgt's, and have a fair degree of latitude in your day job when not driving the CO, going back to a Regular unit and reverting to "oi you, LCpl Smith!" was no fun at all.
 
It's still possible to stagger through a career being utter shite, though we see a lot less of it now. The individual responsible for summer camps in the Reserve unit I served at was that popular he got a grand total of four people over 2 years on summer camps. It was a difficult time for other reasons but his ineptitude made it a lot worse.
The other thing I picked up was that there is no Corps level quality control of training or staff causing sites to yoyo from amazing to awful be cause someone decent came in or left. Apart from specialists, we know the most about infantry skills, from tom to senior officer, they don't require much equipment, and you can regain from bad individuals quickly.
 
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MoleBath

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You get the PSIs that your CO, XO (Trg Maj), QM, Adjt and RSM are prepared to tolerate. It is easy to blame the individual but the CoC need to do their job too.
PSIs are instructors not part of the unit in war. COs and senior officers must ensure they focus PSIs on what the unit needs. My own experience was that PSIs were usually excellent or occasionally poor with few in the middle band
 
PSIs are instructors not part of the unit in war. COs and senior officers must ensure they focus PSIs on what the unit needs. My own experience was that PSIs were usually excellent or occasionally poor with few in the middle band
I think part of the issue is the definition of "excellent". I think it's easier to be seen as a brilliant Senior by the CoC in a regular unit where you have a captive audience. One significantly poor annual camp or exercise and people will vote with their feet.

The TA bod tends to be older, a bit more world wise and some Private soldiers actually hold very punchy civvy jobs, and can see through bad admin and laziness a lot faster than the 18 YO sprog straight out of training.

I once heard of a unit that did an annual camp in the channel islands which should have been an absolute swan but turned into the biggest **** about ever, just so certain TA officers could hobnob and take credit for a job well done. Apparently blokes were leaving or transferring like greyhounds after because the PSIs, instead of acting as bullshit insulators decided to spend the week playing golf.

As Ive said before, the TA is not innocent, and could probably be purged by about 20% of dead wood, enablers and people who would have been PAP10d years ago in the regs.

There does seem to be a lack of understanding amongst the regular army that if training is poor, blokes wont turn up, especially in the infantry.

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PSIs are instructors not part of the unit in war. COs and senior officers must ensure they focus PSIs on what the unit needs. My own experience was that PSIs were usually excellent or occasionally poor with few in the middle band
Hmmm, I can think of two examples that contradict that.
 

In_Twists

Swinger
I think a lot depends on why the bloke has come as PSI.
If he's there cos he's come to the end of his 22, then possibly there won't be much incentive for him be proactive.
If he's there cos there's no slots in battalion for the next rank up, or some such, and he's due togo back, he's going to want a gleaming report so he'll work for the unit he's at.
 
Clarification
PSI 2-4 year posting of extension/ promotion

Psao job till you drop dead retire or get done for fraud

NRPS - non regular permanent staff day to day job greasing the nuts demanding the beans beds and beer

Civ staff caretaker secretary or store person, doing essential work that has to be done

That about nail it!
 
But it's also interesting how a TA tour can affect JNCO's. I can't recall many CO's drivers who stayed in the Regulars much longer after their 3 years with us.

As one of them put it, when you're regularly on drinking terms with the RSM and the PSI's who are all WO2's and SSgt's, and have a fair degree of latitude in your day job when not driving the CO, going back to a Regular unit and reverting to "oi you, LCpl Smith!" was no fun at all.

True, but it's all about perception and the individual .....
 
An LE capt of my acquaintance was once a UOTC RSM. After a dinner night in his first week he took himself off to bed to find two young female ocdts waiting for him in it. He kicked them both out (he says) then had a power w@nk.
No offence to you and your esteemed collegue, but I find Robme's stories of NI, passing P Company, serving at Goose Green with 2 Para and working in intelligence with Maurices boys, easier to believe than all these dits about young female officer cadets being desperate for PSI and LE officer cock.

If it was a PSI from 22 SAS (highly unlikely I know) I could understand. Chicks get wet at the mere mention of the word. But an 18-21 year old female officer cadet being desperate to get into bed with a middleage, probably a bit paunchy, gray/balding Warrant Officer or LE officer from the RLC, R Sigs or the Loamshires, who is probably older than her dad.

Call me a sceptic but It seems very much like your typical Arrser fantasy to me.
 
But an 18-21 year old female officer cadet being desperate to get into bed with a middleage, probably a bit paunchy, gray/balding Warrant Officer or LE officer from the RLC, R Sigs or the Loamshires, who is probably older than her dad.
Have you worked at an OTC?
 

potter

Old-Salt
No offence to you and your esteemed collegue, but I find Robme's stories of NI, passing P Company, serving at Goose Green with 2 Para and working in intelligence with Maurices boys, easier to believe than all these dits about young female officer cadets being desperate for PSI and LE officer cock.

If it was a PSI from 22 SAS (highly unlikely I know) I could understand. Chicks get wet at the mere mention of the word. But an 18-21 year old female officer cadet being desperate to get into bed with a middleage, probably a bit paunchy, gray/balding Warrant Officer or LE officer from the RLC, R Sigs or the Loamshires, who is probably older than her dad.

Call me a sceptic but It seems very much like your typical Arrser fantasy to me.
I never understood it myself either, but we lost roughly a PSI a year to such indiscretions, in the three years I was at an OTC. A couple of marriages ensued, with the substantial age gap that you suggest.
 
No offence to you and your esteemed collegue, but I find Robme's stories of NI, passing P Company, serving at Goose Green with 2 Para and working in intelligence with Maurices boys, easier to believe than all these dits about young female officer cadets being desperate for PSI and LE officer cock.

If it was a PSI from 22 SAS (highly unlikely I know) I could understand. Chicks get wet at the mere mention of the word. But an 18-21 year old female officer cadet being desperate to get into bed with a middleage, probably a bit paunchy, gray/balding Warrant Officer or LE officer from the RLC, R Sigs or the Loamshires, who is probably older than her dad.

Call me a sceptic but It seems very much like your typical Arrser fantasy to me.

How very dare you!

Not all of us were as you describe . I was a mid 30's ,lean mean fighting machine , with hair, my own teeth. and a cheeky grin ...El Fannio magnetio , if you will :cool:

One of my colleagues met and married a TA Chick and are still married too. I did know of lets say , 'several' PSI's forming relationships ..... and why not if they keep it out of the 'work' environment ?

With the elderly ones you amusingly and accurately describe ,I guess it's the supposed power, glamour, and choice of dating drippy Kevin ,who drives a forklift at ASDA or some one who doesn't?

Had another Friend who did some time with LUOTC ...the stories he told re chicks were far fetched, but he had no reason to lie, and also the morale fortitude to resist ...or was, as I called him, 'a big Nancy boy' for not indulging

Who can suss out how these females minds work?.......except to realize that they certainly are the Devil's work and they do nothing unless there's an ulterior and devious motive that benefits them more then you. Ha ha
 

napier

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No offence to you and your esteemed collegue, but I find Robme's stories of NI, passing P Company, serving at Goose Green with 2 Para and working in intelligence with Maurices boys, easier to believe than all these dits about young female officer cadets being desperate for PSI and LE officer cock.

If it was a PSI from 22 SAS (highly unlikely I know) I could understand. Chicks get wet at the mere mention of the word. But an 18-21 year old female officer cadet being desperate to get into bed with a middleage, probably a bit paunchy, gray/balding Warrant Officer or LE officer from the RLC, R Sigs or the Loamshires, who is probably older than her dad.

Call me a sceptic but It seems very much like your typical Arrser fantasy to me.
All I can say is that is the story he told me. I was not there - had I been I would not have had his self control
 
Originally, but then they got moved out to gurt Brizzle.
My Fil was a PSAO there in the 70's .

He joined up as a 14 year old drummer boy. made it through Dunkirk, then Kohima with 2 Div ...got an LE Commission.....then worked for the MoD ..

Got a nice cert from Brenda for '50 years service.'.

RIP ...shame you had 5 daughter and not 1 Son , that's 6 fecking women in the house at one time , although the oldest is the same age as my mum and I married the youngest.
 
I never understood it myself either, but we lost roughly a PSI a year to such indiscretions, in the three years I was at an OTC. A couple of marriages ensued, with the substantial age gap that you suggest.
While I was at OTC I don't think a single PSI ( TA & Reg ) wasn't up to naughtiness.

Scores on the doors - lots of affairs, one divorce, one marriage ( unrelated to the divorce ) and two convictions for rape or sexual assault brought to court a number of years later.
 

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