QM playing dumb over med kit

#1
Where do I find out what the CES of my unit is? and if there is no Med kit on the CES where do I find out what/what quantities should be added?

The unit is a regional RLC Squadron, but not part of a Regional RLC Regiment.

Thanks in advance
Cardinal
 
#2
Are you seriously expecting more than... 'We aren't scaled for it'.

Age old problem... same solutions.
 
#3
Cardinal said:
Where do I find out what the CES of my unit is? and if there is no Med kit on the CES where do I find out what/what quantities should be added?

The unit is a regional RLC Squadron, but not part of a Regional RLC Regiment.

Thanks in advance
Cardinal
The QM will hold the Equipment Table, but before you charge off, which items do you require and have you written via your Chain of Command to request them?

msr
 
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EScotia

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#4
Cardinal, what Med Kit is it you believe an RLC Sqn should have? If its NSNs you are after for Med Modules I may be able to help.
 
#5
Is it hardware or medicines you are after ? If the latter you'll get 2/10 of zip unless you have folk qual to issue it. A TA CMT nowadays seems to have nothing available to him that you could not get over the counter at Boots - and it'll be a struggle to get that.
 
#6
I cannot even get Zinc Oxide Tape through the SQMS.

FFD's and Chest Seals thats it by way of med kit. They did obtain some expensive med bergens in place of the medic day sack and side pouches I ordered, but not the mesh bags and boxes that go in them. Now even these might be sent back.

Cardinal
 

the_boy_syrup

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#7
Cardinal said:
Where do I find out what the CES of my unit is? and if there is no Med kit on the CES where do I find out what/what quantities should be added?

The unit is a regional RLC Squadron, but not part of a Regional RLC Regiment.

Thanks in advance
Cardinal
It all went down on the Atlantic Converyor the stuff that was saved was sent to Donnington just in time for the fire

I once served at a unit where you could hand kit into the civvy storeman and then go and buy it back a week later in his surplus shop - he even gave forces discount
 
#8
Cardinal said:
I cannot even get Zinc Oxide Tape through the SQMS.

FFD's and Chest Seals thats it by way of med kit. They did obtain some expensive med bergens in place of the medic day sack and side pouches I ordered, but not the mesh bags and boxes that go in them. Now even these might be sent back.

Cardinal
Have you raised it via your CoC? What reply did you get?

msr
 
#10
The SNOMED CT concept id for Zinc Oxide tape is 431246001...

but have you tried DMICP is it anywhere on the portal? It should be on there somewhere, in the dispensing module perhaps???
 
#11
5 years I have been putting in NSNs for exactly this type of thing- thus far I have only obtained Pressure Bandages (not FFDs anymore) and CATs. They are for training only. No actual med kit for a CMT as the response is- 'We are not scaled for it'.

Yes you can ask your C of C and you know what- you get the response that it isn't their problem- see the QM. The OC even gave me a chance to get some out of the civi stationery catalogue, that's how bad it is. I ordered and got nothing. It is the same story again and again.

You'll also say- well if you don't have the kit, don't do the job, but then is it really that easy? Hence why we all end up beg, borrowing or stealing med kit when on courses, when you are in a med centre on camp, when we rarely get a chance to go to a med unit or when we meet another tooled up medic. Same old problem, same old solution.
 
#12
birduk said:
5 years I have been putting in NSNs for exactly this type of thing- thus far I have only obtained Pressure Bandages (not FFDs anymore) and CATs. They are for training only. No actual med kit for a CMT as the response is- 'We are not scaled for it'.

Yes you can ask your C of C and you know what- you get the response that it isn't their problem- see the QM. The OC even gave me a chance to get some out of the civi stationery catalogue, that's how bad it is. I ordered and got nothing. It is the same story again and again.

You'll also say- well if you don't have the kit, don't do the job, but then is it really that easy? Hence why we all end up beg, borrowing or stealing med kit when on courses, when you are in a med centre on camp, when we rarely get a chance to go to a med unit or when we meet another tooled up medic. Same old problem, same old solution
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All of that. Cof C wants soloutions not problems, ie go and buy it. System broken.

Cardinal
 

Percy_Pigeon

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#13
Cardinal said:
Where do I find out what the CES of my unit is? and if there is no Med kit on the CES where do I find out what/what quantities should be added?

The unit is a regional RLC Squadron, but not part of a Regional RLC Regiment.

Thanks in advance
Cardinal
PM me your unit details and exactly what your after and I will have a look, however you may not like the answer as very few RLC units have Med Modules on their Equipment Tables and even the ones that have generally hold little/no stock (HQ LF POL).
 
#14
birduk said:
Yes you can ask your C of C and you know what- you get the response that it isn't their problem- see the QM. The OC even gave me a chance to get some out of the civi stationery catalogue, that's how bad it is. I ordered and got nothing. It is the same story again and again.
Then take it up with the CO and include all the letters you have sent to the OC. Go up the chain.

msr
 
#15
Then take it up with the CO and include all the letters you have sent to the OC. Go up the chain.

msr[/quote]


Loathe to dump on my OC he writes my CR's.

Cardinal
 
#16
Cardinal said:
Then take it up with the CO and include all the letters you have sent to the OC. Go up the chain.

msr


Loathe to dump on my OC he writes my CR's.

Cardinal[/quote]

If he is not effective then go over his head.

That, or put up with it and stop whinging here.

msr
 
#17
A TA soldier is very unlikely to take it to the CO, maybe it's different if they are commissioned.

Like it or not, the answer is to buy the kit or try to get answers here on ARRSE. I'm a bit shocked that people think the (CoC) system is an answer to this issue
 
#18
polar said:
Like it or not, the answer is to buy the kit or try to get answers here on ARRSE. I'm a bit shocked that people think the (CoC) system is an answer to this issue
If the kit is required, then the army will provide.

How else do you propose solving the problem? The Chain of Command is there for a reason. If the OC has a shortage of minerals, then an interview with the CO may restore them.

Either that, or the training which Cardinal insists is of such high importance actually isn't.

msr
 
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EScotia

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#19
birduk said:
5 years I have been putting in NSNs for exactly this type of thing- thus far I have only obtained Pressure Bandages (not FFDs anymore) and CATs. They are for training only. No actual med kit for a CMT as the response is- 'We are not scaled for it'.

Yes you can ask your C of C and you know what- you get the response that it isn't their problem- see the QM. The OC even gave me a chance to get some out of the civi stationery catalogue, that's how bad it is. I ordered and got nothing. It is the same story again and again.

You'll also say- well if you don't have the kit, don't do the job, but then is it really that easy? Hence why we all end up beg, borrowing or stealing med kit when on courses, when you are in a med centre on camp, when we rarely get a chance to go to a med unit or when we meet another tooled up medic. Same old problem, same old solution.
Thats because it is the QMs "problem". If you asked him, verbally then in writing, to put in a request to increase your ET (8088), you may well get an answer. The Equipment table sponsor may not approve it, Med IPT may well not approve it but at last you will know you've tried everything possible to get Med Kit to your unit through official channels!

If this doesn't work ask your QM if he can contact the nearest Med Unit and take on long term loan a fully scaled Med Module, whichever is most suited to what you need to train on. All you will have to do then is submit replen requests on a regular basis to keep it fully stocked.
 
#20
msr said:
polar said:
Like it or not, the answer is to buy the kit or try to get answers here on ARRSE. I'm a bit shocked that people think the (CoC) system is an answer to this issue
If the kit is required, then the army will provide.

How else do you propose solving the problem? The Chain of Command is there for a reason. If the OC has a shortage of minerals, then an interview with the CO may restore them.

Either that, or the training which Cardinal insists is of such high importance actually isn't.

msr
Sorry if this came over as whinging, it was actually a request for information. This has now been provided, or at least is in the process of being sorted. Many thanks to Percy Pigeon.

I don't decide what training takes place but it is my job to provide medical cover for the training organised by the PSI's and Senior Management. They decide on the importance not me.

The chain wanted soloutions, not problems, which is why I was after information on how to overcome the problem ie how to overcome a seemingly innefective QM staff and get the kit to support the training.

Cardinal
 

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