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QDP College - WTF?

#2
Ah this is the Hull College thing isnt it. I read it this morning on the local rag website.
The instructors in question are ex army although the instructor accused of bullying is only 20 so appears to have little if any experience.

The college prepares kids for uniformed life and that includes the police, firebrigade and all 3 armed forces.

The person who warned the potential recruit to keep her gob shut was a member of staff at a careers office.

Bad reporting I feel.
 
#3
Ah this is the Hull College thing isnt it. I read it this morning on the local rag website.
The instructors in question are ex army although the instructor accused of bullying is only 20 so appears to have little if any experience.

The college prepares kids for uniformed life and that includes the police, firebrigade and all 3 armed forces.

The person who warned the potential recruit to keep her gob shut was a member of staff at a careers office.

Bad reporting I feel.
WTF is a 20 year old doing anywhere near (potential) recruits? Squaddie or not (and I doubt he was ex HMF if of course he was 20).
 
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Zarathustra

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#5
The Telegraph article says Williams was a 20 year old trainee, not an instructor.

I'd be more concerned about the fact a recruiting sgt told her if she continued with her complaint it would have an impact on her Army career, especially as she isn't in the Army, yet.
 
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Zarathustra

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#8
After watching their vid I'd like to to know where the word of command "Into line right turn" comes from, I've never heard it and it wasn't covered in my foot drill at the halt TP.

There's also some horrendous cam cream application on display.
 
#9
After watching their vid I'd like to to know where the word of command "Into line right turn" comes from, I've never heard it and it wasn't covered in my foot drill at the halt TP.

There's also some horrendous cam cream application on display.
Well based on that I suggest we sack the lot and let the Guards Depot take over and QDP won't know what has hit them. Blast, I forgot the Armies answer to The Gulag has long gone!
 
#10
After watching their vid I'd like to to know where the word of command "Into line right turn" comes from, I've never heard it and it wasn't covered in my foot drill at the halt TP.

There's also some horrendous cam cream application on display.
The nearest I can think of is 'Into Line, Right Form' as per the Troop. I could be wrong though as I'm already on the vino.
 
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Zarathustra

Guest
#11
Well based on that I suggest we sack the lot and let the Guards Depot take over and QDP won't know what has hit them. Blast, I forgot the Armies answer to The Gulag has long gone!
I like it, nothing like a bit of D-Lines action and running up and down Sand hill in your 2 dress to get you ready for military service.

Or, they could at least have instructors that know what they're doing, it's not hard to teach drill correctly (or at least using the correct words of command).
 
#12
After watching their vid I'd like to to know where the word of command "Into line right turn" comes from, I've never heard it and it wasn't covered in my foot drill at the halt TP.

There's also some horrendous cam cream application on display.
Could be wrong but I think that's Crab drill
 
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Zarathustra

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#13
Could be wrong but I think that's Crab drill
After a quick search all I could find was ATC drill manual/pamphlets but as they use
AP818, RAF Drill and Ceremonial, 7th Edition as a reference they're good enough for ARRSE, they list left/right turns at the halt as simply being

Flight/Sqn
Right turn.

 
#14
I watched the video, with the Queen soundtrack, good grief, sort of like a cadet weekend, without the emphasise on drill, turnout, or personal admin. And they take a year to teach that?
 
#15
Having found their website

Forces Prep - Uniformed Services Training in Hull

I'm slack jawed with amazement to find that there is a market for a one year long pre-selection course.

And if one ARRSEr see their vid I'm sure we'll find they're in breach of the Illegal Drilling Act of 1842 or some such.
Been going on for years (at least 05/06). If they are on a one year course 'preparing' for Public service then they are not 'unemployed'.

It's becoming vogue now to h ave ties to ACF, etc. and operate as 'closed' detachments if they are. ie you can only join the det if you are onthe course (usually in parrallel with a 'open' det).

Sometimes not.

The college running the course usually tries to find anyone with a military/public service bent to teach on the course.

This QDP is the first time I've seen this sort of course run by what appears to be a non-accademic organisation though.
 
#17
Uniformed Services Courses have been running countrywide since at least 94 when I mucked around at college. I laughed at people "studying" to join the Forces for the year I was there. I decided Id rather join the Army.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
About Us Sounds an awful lot like this lot. You see their students cutting about Cardiff and other places in S.Wales in their tracksuit tops and DPM trousers an awful lot of the time. Especially during the day when you would expect them to be at "College".
 
#19
The course in Hull is nothing to do with MOD or Army Cadets. In Kent the real ACF had a reporting procedure to avoid any association with pseudo military training groups like Kent Adventure Training Corps. The two pseudo cadet groups lost Kent County Youth affiliation status in 2003 and closed down. Former leader of Kent adventure Training Corps Clive Richards is Chair, I think, of Ramsgate RBL. He dines with Shortt at "Russian Summer Balls". Clive, who has never served in the forces, was social secretary of Thanet Branch REME Assn in the late 80s when branch chair was George Richard Maison. the pair went on to found the British Army Assn.

The welfare secretary of Thanet Branch REME assn in 1988 became concerned at a claim for REME welfare payments made in the name Lloyd Barton whom Maison claimed not to know. It appears that Maison said "Better pay one con man than let a genuine case fall through the net". Barton by then was a civilian guard for Reliance at Deal RM Barracks. Barton was also an adult leader of Kent Adventure Training Corps. His claimed REME service could not be verified.

Clive Richards has on one occasion admitted that he saw Barton in 1989 teaching letter bomb techniques to a troop of Kent Adventure Training Corps cadets. Richards saying "I did think lloyd went a tad over the top with that". You think ......

KATC had local backing from Roger Gale MP whose constituency vice chair was George Maison.

Kent County Council affiliation concerns caused them to raise youth services inquiry in the late 90s. It emerged that for 3 years of this inquiry KCC was being somewhat misled by Kent Plod.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
The course in Hull is nothing to do with MOD or Army Cadets. In Kent the real ACF had a reporting procedure to avoid any association with pseudo military training groups like Kent Adventure Training Corps. The two pseudo cadet groups lost Kent County Youth affiliation status in 2003 and closed down. Former leader of Kent adventure Training Corps Clive Richards is Chair, I think, of Ramsgate RBL. He dines with Shortt at "Russian Summer Balls". Clive, who has never served in the forces, was social secretary of Thanet Branch REME Assn in the late 80s when branch chair was George Richard Maison. the pair went on to found the British Army Assn.

The welfare secretary of Thanet Branch REME assn in 1988 became concerned at a claim for REME welfare payments made in the name Lloyd Barton whom Maison claimed not to know. It appears that Maison said "Better pay one con man than let a genuine case fall through the net". Barton by then was a civilian guard for Reliance at Deal RM Barracks. Barton was also an adult leader of Kent Adventure Training Corps. His claimed REME service could not be verified.

Clive Richards has on one occasion admitted that he saw Barton in 1989 teaching letter bomb techniques to a troop of Kent Adventure Training Corps cadets. Richards saying "I did think lloyd went a tad over the top with that". You think ......

KATC had local backing from Roger Gale MP whose constituency vice chair was George Maison.

Kent County Council affiliation concerns caused them to raise youth services inquiry in the late 90s. It emerged that for 3 years of this inquiry KCC was being somewhat misled by Kent Plod.
You don't say.

No really, please don't.
 

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