QA Dress Policy: White Blouse/Black Skirt in the Mess

BuggerAll

LE
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#1
Is it QA dress policy that women (ladies) must wear white blouses and black skirts at mess functions if they do not have mess dress? I often attend functions where there seem to be a surfiet of waiters until you realise that they are QA's who have been told to turn up clad like waiters.

Is this legal? Nobody tells men what they should wear - formal evening dress. If anyone told me I could not wear a kilt I would invite them to go forth...

This really annoys me- it is insulting to QA's and it reflects badly on the officer corps and sergeants messes in general.

PS Thought. This won't affect regulars, and yes maybe all the women/lady QA's(V) should buy mess kit, but when your grant is £350.00 and you are supposed to get an SD etc well...

PPS I'm not a QA and I'm not a woman/lady.
 
#4
Heard a variety of resons or excuses, one was "well I will get a commission one day so I'll get one then", the silence at the table was deafening after that
 
#5
sknn said:
If anyone told me I could not wear a kilt I would invite them to go forth..
not a mess member either then? or do you have a standing order for bottles of Port?

QARANC dress regulations 2002 states:
Indepentant TA Units
QARANC Officers amd WO/SNCOs without Mess Dress are to wear, in order of preference:
a. No 2 Dress (Service Dress) without medals
b. Suitable evening apparel at the COs and OC Nuring Sqds discretion.

Specialist TA
QARANC Officers and WO/SNCOs of AMS TA Specialist units without No 10 (mess dress) or No 2 (Service Dress) are to wear:
a. Suitable evening apparel at the CO and OC Nuring Sqns discretion. This should be of sober colour with a modest neckline and shoulders covered for ladies and black tie for gentlemen.

which also blows your 'nobody tells the men what to wear' statement out as well! :roll:
 
#7
The Dress Regs (2004) for RAMC Officers and WO/SNCOs without Mess Dress is the same as the QARANC Dress Regs (2002).

Neither sets of Dress Regs mention Black skirts or white blouses. I have seen seniors without mess dress wearing black skirts and white blouses, but I think this is more out of lazyness to buy an outfit (including the Mess Dress itself!!) than being told that it was what they had to wear.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to Personal Pride in your appearance.
 

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LE
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#8
Filbert Fox said:
The Dress Regs (2004) for RAMC Officers and WO/SNCOs without Mess Dress is the same as the QARANC Dress Regs (2002).

Neither sets of Dress Regs mention Black skirts or white blouses. I have seen seniors without mess dress wearing black skirts and white blouses, but I think this is more out of lazyness to buy an outfit (including the Mess Dress itself!!) than being told that it was what they had to wear.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to Personal Pride in your appearance.
Hence Bulldog being dressed as box of a frogs! :lol:
 
#9
Filbert Fox said:
QARANC dress regulations 2002 states:
Indepentant TA Units
QARANC Officers amd WO/SNCOs without Mess Dress are to wear, in order of preference:
a. No 2 Dress (Service Dress) without medals
b. Suitable evening apparel at the COs and OC Nuring Sqds discretion.

Specialist TA
QARANC Officers and WO/SNCOs of AMS TA Specialist units without No 10 (mess dress) or No 2 (Service Dress) are to wear:
a. Suitable evening apparel at the CO and OC Nuring Sqns discretion. This should be of sober colour with a modest neckline and shoulders covered for ladies and black tie for gentlemen.
Filbert Fox Also said:
The Dress Regs (2004) for RAMC Officers and WO/SNCOs without Mess Dress is the same as the QARANC Dress Regs (2002).

Neither sets of Dress Regs mention Black skirts or white blouses. I have seen seniors without mess dress wearing black skirts and white blouses, but I think this is more out of lazyness to buy an outfit (including the Mess Dress itself!!) than being told that it was what they had to wear.
At the end of the day I think it comes down to Personal Pride in your appearance.

Foxy, you wrote these out! just nicely close to hand next to the computer eh? just past the tissues? :wink:


on the other hand at least someone takes it seriously
 
#18
Frank said:
Thought it was White stilleto's, ron hills and Reg sweater for whatever regt their current fiance is?
Saucer of cream for one please :wink:

Personally, they should do as we do-mess dress or 2s. However as most have not fitted their 2s since joining the QAs, the sight of MoFITs would put most of us off our dinner 8O
 
#19
hello Sknn, anyone there? Seen that youve been back on the site but havent come back to the thread you started, possibly cos your original post was toss perhaps?
 

BuggerAll

LE
Kit Reviewer
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#20
Filbert asks if there are any come backs or were my points bollox?

Firstly the personal part, I've don't have a mess dress because I've transfered in from another corps as a result of SDR and I'm in a specialist unit and don't feel that I can justify the cost (or I'm just too cheap). I either wear my kilt or trews at any black tie functions I attend, and nobody has ever suggested I should not. There are a number of guys in my unit who wear Scottish national dress aswell and I've been to any number of other functions where it has been worn by many people.

As to the QA's I am glad to see that the white blouse black skirt thing is not in dress regs. This is obviously an urban myth because its frequently quoted in orders in a number of TA units. I will be bringing my PMCs attention to it, because my point that if they are are being made to dress like mess waiters its insulting to them and to us all.

I'm married to a QA and she has a mess dress.

Oh and Filbert why are you taking it so personally? I've been trying to post for some time, but so whats your major mal function?
 

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