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Putin could return as President next year

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Shoking? But why? Mr.Putin had been sitting on the presidental chair 8 years. So what special would happen if he becomes a president again?

Personally I don't believe these rumours. Likely, mr.Medvedev would sit full term and then... then mr.Putin would be elected for 6 years in 2012 and reelected in 2018. In 2024 it is possible that mr.Medvedev would stand for presidency. Further in 2030... only God knows what would happen.
 
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whitecity said:
Surely it's for Russians to choose who governs them and how? No doubt they will make some mistakes along the way. FFS, the UK's screwed up pretty well in the last generation or 3!

Or are you endowed with the ability to know what is best for somebody else?
If you can't see that it isn't healthy to have the same person in charge for 30+ years, which is, incidently, against the spirit, if not the letter, of Russia's constitution, then compaired to you yes, I do have the ability to know what is best for others.

And if you're honestly comparing the political path of Russia, that in the last hundred years has gone from Kings to Communists to Crooks to KGB, to that of the UK, you've also got zero sense of perspective.
 
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KGB_resident said:
Shoking? But why? Mr.Putin had been sitting on the presidental chair 8 years. So what special would happen if he becomes a president again?

Personally I don't believe these rumours. Likely, mr.Medvedev would sit full term and then... then mr.Putin would be elected for 6 years in 2012 and reelected in 2018. In 2024 it is possible that mr.Medvedev would stand for presidency. Further in 2030... only God knows what would happen.
What was Putin's daughter's name again... :(
 
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parapauk said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
Shock horror; a man who enjoys a genuine 92% popularity in many parts of his vast country could become president :roll:
Jesus doesn't have 92% popularity in the Vatican 8)
Wasn't aware he was standing for election. Perhaps he'll get Sarah Palin as his running mate to attract the Christian vote ;)
 
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parapauk said:
KGB_resident said:
Shoking? But why? Mr.Putin had been sitting on the presidental chair 8 years. So what special would happen if he becomes a president again?

Personally I don't believe these rumours. Likely, mr.Medvedev would sit full term and then... then mr.Putin would be elected for 6 years in 2012 and reelected in 2018. In 2024 it is possible that mr.Medvedev would stand for presidency. Further in 2030... only God knows what would happen.
What was Putin's daughter's name again... :(
Mr.Putin has two daughters - Katya (Kate) and Masha (Mary). Their photos are unavailable. This one is rare exception (mr.Putin with his wife and Masha).

 
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parapauk said:
If you can't see that it isn't healthy to have the same person in charge for 30+ years, which is, incidently, against the spirit, if not the letter, of Russia's constitution, then compaired to you yes, I do have the ability to know what is best for others.
1) The Russian consititution is written by Russians for Russians. They can have whatever constitution the wish as far as I'm concerned.

2) If the Russians choose to have the same bod in charge for 30 years, so be it.

I made it clear I was not calling this a good thing, nor a desireable thing, simply that it is the choice of the Russian public.

parapauk said:
And if you're honestly comparing the political path of Russia, that in the last hundred years has gone from Kings to Communists to Crooks to KGB, to that of the UK, you've also got zero sense of perspective.
Now, the democracy the have is not the same as 'ours', but it certainly no worse.

In the UK, the system we have is we elect an individual to represent the people of a consituency. On taking his/her seat, they automatically ignore that and represent the party to which they belong. And if they have a clash of concience, out come the party whips to restore order! The 'whipping system' is utterly UNDEMOCRATIC.

Then you have the executive, which under the last PM, became a bit of a select group of advisors with very little parliamentary or public scrutiny. Policy was trailed and trialed through devious semi-official leaks, and announcements made before even cabinet or parliament knowledge. 'Sofa policy' is utterly UNDEMOCRATIC.

And, let's not forget, ZANU-NL have a significant majority in the one House that really matters, and yet only managed about 22% of the voting public and 35% of those who bothered to cast a vote. Hmmmmm!

And finally, our system allows the top man to be in charge forever, or until he dies...

I'd say Putin & Co is significantly more in touch with the demands of his population that HMG. He does represent them, and not us, you know. :)
 
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parapauk said:
If you can't see that it isn't healthy to have the same person in charge for 30+ years, which is, incidently, against the spirit, if not the letter, of Russia's constitution, then compaired to you yes, I do have the ability to know what is best for others.

And if you're honestly comparing the political path of Russia, that in the last hundred years has gone from Kings to Communists to Crooks to KGB, to that of the UK, you've also got zero sense of perspective.
Who was in charge of what for 30+ years? Isn't democracy about the will of majority of the country that goes to vote? If the Russians would choose to elect a polar bear, it's their right!
 
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KGB_resident said:
Mr.Putin has two daughters - Katya (Kate) and Masha (Mary). Their photos are unavailable. This one is rare exception (mr.Putin with his wife and Masha).

Good looking daughter!
 
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whitecity said:
If the Russians choose to have the same bod in charge for 30 years, so be it.
Indeed, the British have HM as a head of state for decades.

In theory mr.Blair could remain British PM now and (in the case of victory of his party during elections) many years. And note, mr.Blair is not so popular in the UK as mr.Putin in Russia.

However I would like to say that the problem exists. The powerkeepers in Russia using polit-technologies, braiwashing, black PR successfully manipulate public opinion, elections and remain at power formally within democratic procedures.
 
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KGB_resident said:
whitecity said:
If the Russians choose to have the same bod in charge for 30 years, so be it.
Indeed, the British have HM as a head of state for decades.

In theory mr.Blair could remain British PM now and (in the case of victory of his party during elections) many years. And note, mr.Blair is not so popular in the UK as mr.Putin in Russia.

However I would like to say that the problem exists. The powerkeepers in Russia using polit-technologies, braiwashing, black PR successfully manipulate public opinion, elections and remain at power formally within democratic procedures.
Tell me?How does the above differ from what the Labore bunch have been doing since 1997?
 
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KGB_resident said:
whitecity said:
If the Russians choose to have the same bod in charge for 30 years, so be it.
Indeed, the British have HM as a head of state for decades.

In theory mr.Blair could remain British PM now and (in the case of victory of his party during elections) many years. And note, mr.Blair is not so popular in the UK as mr.Putin in Russia.

However I would like to say that the problem exists. The powerkeepers in Russia using polit-technologies, braiwashing, black PR successfully manipulate public opinion, elections and remain at power formally within democratic procedures.
News from the West might be heavily censored out in Russia mate, but Gordon Brown's PM now. He's making a worse job of it than Tony too.
 
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KGB_resident said:
whitecity said:
If the Russians choose to have the same bod in charge for 30 years, so be it.
Indeed, the British have HM as a head of state for decades.

In theory mr.Blair could remain British PM now and (in the case of victory of his party during elections) many years. And note, mr.Blair is not so popular in the UK as mr.Putin in Russia.

However I would like to say that the problem exists. The powerkeepers in Russia using polit-technologies, braiwashing, black PR successfully manipulate public opinion, elections and remain at power formally within democratic procedures.
Agreed, though Blair would have been out on May 1st 2010 in any case. He only lasted as long as he did because the Tories were led by a vampire. Blair lost power because his shine came off, as did, even those on this board who have wet dreams about will agree, Thatcher. Even Churchill was out on his arrse in July 45. It's a natural culumulative proccess that is unstopable in a democracy, even if the leader in question does nothing outstandingly wrong. You can only stop it if you can control public opinion and actively keep down organised opposition.
 
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whitecity said:
parapauk said:
If you can't see that it isn't healthy to have the same person in charge for 30+ years, which is, incidently, against the spirit, if not the letter, of Russia's constitution, then compaired to you yes, I do have the ability to know what is best for others.
1) The Russian consititution is written by Russians for Russians. They can have whatever constitution the wish as far as I'm concerned.

2) If the Russians choose to have the same bod in charge for 30 years, so be it.

I made it clear I was not calling this a good thing, nor a desireable thing, simply that it is the choice of the Russian public.

parapauk said:
And if you're honestly comparing the political path of Russia, that in the last hundred years has gone from Kings to Communists to Crooks to KGB, to that of the UK, you've also got zero sense of perspective.
Now, the democracy the have is not the same as 'ours', but it certainly no worse.
You don't count a total lack of organized opposition as something of a hinderence?

A good measure to access whether any democracy is healthy is this: If the government of the country in question vanished in a puff of smoke, is there any group of individuals ready and able to take their place? In Russia's case, I'd say no.
 

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