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Putin allegedly offered Merkel to send troops to Afghanistan

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http://www.gazetawyborcza.pl/1,86871,5025081.html

Vladimir Putin is playing a major game with the Nato. He is offering to help the Alliance in its war against the taliban in Afghanistan, in return expecting the Nato to close its door for Ukraine and Georgia as members
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According to diplomatic sources in Poland and the Nato, the alliance has for several weeks now been negotiating Moscow's permission to use a transit corridor to supply Nato troops fighting in Afghanistan. It is precisely transport that is the alliance's weak spot today, as it lacks enough aircraft to ship people, equipment and supplies, while rail transport from Pakistan, the presently used option, is unreliable, often falling victim to the taliban or thieves (Poland, among other countries, lost equipment there).

Gazeta's sources in Washington said that during his lunch with Angela Merkel in Moscow last week, Vladimir Putin offered for Russia to actually send troops to Afghanistan to help the undermanned Nato force. Ms Merkel forwarded the offer to several politicians in Europe and the US, but odds are it will be rejected.

In return for helping the alliance, Mr Putin is demanding two things - that the Nato closes its door for Ukraine and Georgia, and that during the Nato's summit in Bucharest in April, Mr Putin is received as an equal partner rather than just a guest.
 
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Surely they would never accept the alleged offer due to memories of the Soviet occupation in the 80's, i'm sure that any Afghans who have good will towards NATO, would turn on them for letting the Russians getting involved. If it is true, it's just a shame our NATO allies are not following and offering to supply more troops.
 
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Russian troops in Agfghanistan? Why not?, it turned out well last time didn't it? er.....

A corridor would be nice. But I doubt we should pay the price he asking. If Ukraine and Georgia wish to join, and meet the criteria, etc. Then it should be NATOs descision to let them in or not.

No Moskva.
 

chrisg46

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#4
Just wondering, if Russia is kicking off about NATO and the missile shield, why dont we ask if they want to join Nato, and join the missile shield? They are under as much threat from nutters as the west is...
 
#5
Makes more sense for russia to be on the same side as europe .Apart from it stops Putin or his replacement having more cold war fantasies .
 
#6
It would make sense for Russia to join NATO and the EU, their main threat will undoubtedly be from China. Think of the mutually advantageous economic stability Russian EU membership would bring.
 
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chrisg46 said:
Just wondering, if Russia is kicking off about NATO and the missile shield, why dont we ask if they want to join Nato, and join the missile shield? They are under as much threat from nutters as the west is...
We really should have Russia on board, after all they are well known for getting stuck into a scrap, unlike many NATO so called members. In fact we should bin the NATO hitchhikers to make room for the Russkies.
 
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woody said:
Makes more sense for russia to be on the same side as europe .Apart from it stops Putin or his replacement having more cold war fantasies .
Russia IS on the same side as Europe. However, NATO is not Europe, NATO is America and America IS NOT on the same side as Russia.
 
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armchair_jihad said:
chrisg46 said:
Just wondering, if Russia is kicking off about NATO and the missile shield, why dont we ask if they want to join Nato, and join the missile shield? They are under as much threat from nutters as the west is...
We really should have Russia on board, after all they are well known for getting stuck into a scrap, unlike many NATO so called members. In fact we should bin the NATO hitchhikers to make room for the Russkies.
I think you are missing the point: NATO protects American interests. Russia is US power competitor in Europe and therefore it is in US interests to weaken Russia and not "take it on board".
 
#10
"Vladimir Putin is playing a major game with the NATO. He is offering to help the Alliance in its war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, in return expecting the NATO to close its door for Ukraine and Georgia as members, Saturday's Gazeta reveals“.

translated by Marcin Wawrzyńczak. Źródło: Gazeta Wyborcza.
http://www.gazetawyborcza.pl/1,86871,5025081.html



“In return for helping the alliance, Mr Putin is demanding two things - that the NATO closes its door for Ukraine and Georgia . . “

With NATO’s attention trans-fixed on the middle-east, NATO should realise it needs to establish an alternate “jumping-off” point; staging-post; in the area - as an alternate to the increasingly unreliable Turkey.

Turkey’s long standing illegal occupation of Cyprus, was recently compounded by Turkey’s unilateral invasion of northern Iraq. It is anyones guess how the unpredictable Turkey will react when it realises that its DEMANDS to join the EU will NEVER come to fruition.

Georgia (and Armenia), could prove to be (geographically) very useful, and appreciated, “partners”, if not (yet) full members, to the like-minded NATO.



“ . . and, that during the NATO's summit in Bucharest in April, Mr Putin is received as an equal partner - rather than just a guest“.

Russia, Ukraine, and a number of others (including most of the Balkan countries), are included in NATO’s “Partnership for Peace” programme. Russia is therefore, de facto, already a fully-fledged “Partner” of NATO.

However, Russia should know, and be relieved, that participation in the “Partnership for Peace” programme, is not a natural precursor or pre-requisite, automatically leading to full NATO membership.

I do not personally believe NATO will ever extend an invitation to join as a full members, to the Slavic Russia, or the similarly Slavic Ukraine.

(I personally believe that the EU will never extend a membership invitation to the Slavic Ukraine - nor should it pursue the membership invitation already extended to the Slavic Serbia, and Slavic Montenegro. It will of course come as a complete surprise to the EU, when Serbia decides to tell the EU where to “stick“ its membership invitation!).

However, I despair that Russia still does not realise that it is Russia’s responsibility to “court” those whom it wishes to consider friends and allies - such as Ukraine, Montenegro and Serbia !!
 
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Overkill said:
Surely they would never accept the alleged offer due to memories of the Soviet occupation in the 80's, i'm sure that any Afghans who have good will towards NATO, would turn on them for letting the Russians getting involved. If it is true, it's just a shame our NATO allies are not following and offering to supply more troops.
My (NATO alliance and right-thinking Afghans) enemy’s (Taliban) enemy (Russia), is my “friend”.
 
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chrisg46 said:
Just wondering, if Russia is kicking off about NATO and the missile shield, why dont we ask if they want to join Nato, and join the missile shield? They are under as much threat from nutters as the west is...
Now let’s not get silly!! . . . I like Russia. . . . I respect Russia. . . . But, I don’t want to “get-into-bed” with Russia.

It is bad enough dealing with them around a “conference” table. Can you imagine what it would be like dealing with Russia if they were on the “in-side”, sat around the same, common, “board-room” table ?!!
 
#13
Busterdog said:
It would make sense for Russia to join NATO and the EU, their main threat will undoubtedly be from China. Think of the mutually advantageous economic stability Russian EU membership would bring.
I was going to quite dismissive and disdainful of your outrageous, naïve, suggestion, until I read of your interest in “Harley-Davidson motorbikes and Labrador dogs”!

It is well worth reading armchair_jihad’s opening quotation (in spite of his scary avatar!), with which he started the thread “The Kremlin's problem with the West - discuss”,

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=86931.html,

to realise why the EU and/or NATO, will NEVER consider Russia as a member !!

And, why Russia would NEVER consider membership of any organisation (EU and/or NATO), membership of which required Russia to be subservient to the wish of the majority - without being able to dictate the agenda for its own (and only Russia’s) interests !!
 
#14
NATO would not need Russian help if some of our supposed NATO allies 'pulled their fingers out' and sent some of their own troops to do the dirty work, instead of leaving it to the usual suspects.
 
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chocolate_frog said:
Russian troops in Agfghanistan? Why not?, it turned out well last time didn't it? Er.....
Well it didn't exactly turn out so great for us the first time we invaded the place either did it? Maybe this could be their version of the Second Anglo-Afghan War so they get to win this time. :)

Domovoy said:
Russia IS on the same side as Europe. However, NATO is not Europe, NATO is America and America IS NOT on the same side as Russia.
If that were the case and the article that KGB_Resident is to be believed then why would one of their demands for co-operation be that NATO not allow Ukraine or Georgia membership? Meddling in the foreign relations of sovreign nations, one of them being a European country and the other a transcontinental Europeam country respectively, certainly seems somewhat odd if Russia 'is on the same side' as Europe.
 
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Domovoy said:
woody said:
Makes more sense for russia to be on the same side as europe .Apart from it stops Putin or his replacement having more cold war fantasies .
Russia IS on the same side as Europe. However, NATO is not Europe, NATO is America and America IS NOT on the same side as Russia.
Not spotted much good will towards Europe by Russia in recent years. Should we take the fact that Russia no longer wants to invade Europe as a gesture of goodwill? Whatever the rights or wrongs of various Kremlin critics living in the UK - reasonable friendly countries don't normally use polonium to assassinate those critics. It might be a bit of a start if Russia desisted from that kind of behaviour - or was it all the work of MI6 (when they weren't killing Di obviously?)
 
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Brick said:
If that were the case and the article that KGB_Resident is to be believed then why would one of their demands for co-operation be that NATO not allow Ukraine or Georgia membership? Meddling in the foreign relations of sovreign nations, one of them being a European country and the other a transcontinental Europeam country respectively, certainly seems somewhat odd if Russia 'is on the same side' as Europe.
Bigger countries always meddle in the affairs of smaller countries. It is true for US, it is true for Russia, and it is true for UK. Nothing new. Russia obviously doesn't want an American boot on its doorstep. Besides, of two countries mentioned Georgia wants NATO membership while Ukraine doesn't.
 
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wehappyfew said:
Domovoy said:
woody said:
Makes more sense for russia to be on the same side as europe .Apart from it stops Putin or his replacement having more cold war fantasies .
Russia IS on the same side as Europe. However, NATO is not Europe, NATO is America and America IS NOT on the same side as Russia.
Not spotted much good will towards Europe by Russia in recent years. Should we take the fact that Russia no longer wants to invade Europe as a gesture of goodwill? Whatever the rights or wrongs of various Kremlin critics living in the UK - reasonable friendly countries don't normally use polonium to assassinate those critics. It might be a bit of a start if Russia desisted from that kind of behaviour - or was it all the work of MI6 (when they weren't killing Di obviously?)
:D Do you call Litvinenko "critic"?

An ex-KGB officer who defected to UK under Berezovsky protection (B. confessed to plotting an overthrow of Putin and is funding Kasparov's party). His pathetic writing attempts didn't make as much as a ripple in public opinion, while his death did. He was poisoned with polonium easily traceable to Russia in such a way that allowed him to stay alive long enough to pose for the cameras and make public statements pointing accusing finger at Putin. Who apart from Berezovsky benefited from that circus?
 
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chrisg46 said:
Just wondering, if Russia is kicking off about NATO and the missile shield, why dont we ask if they want to join Nato, and join the missile shield? They are under as much threat from nutters as the west is...
From Defence Talk.com;
And Putin surprised the US officials with a blunt warning that Russia would abandon a key nuclear missile treaty, and a mocking suggestion for cooperating someday on a missile shiled "established somewhere on the moon."
("missile shiled"? :D )
 
#20
RCT(V) said:
Busterdog said:
It would make sense for Russia to join NATO and the EU, their main threat will undoubtedly be from China. Think of the mutually advantageous economic stability Russian EU membership would bring.
I was going to quite dismissive and disdainful of your outrageous, naïve, suggestion, until I read of your interest in “Harley-Davidson motorbikes and Labrador dogs”!It is well worth reading armchair_jihad’s opening quotation (in spite of his scary avatar!), with which he started the thread “The Kremlin's problem with the West - discuss”,http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=86931.html, to realise why the EU and/or NATO, will NEVER consider Russia as a member !!And, why Russia would NEVER consider membership of any organisation (EU and/or NATO), membership of which required Russia to be subservient to the wish of the majority - without being able to dictate the agenda for its own (and only Russia’s) interests !!
Can't be bothered to read A_J's post. I said it would make sense - not that it was going to happen! Regardless of politics Russia's place is with Europe - unfortunately that window of opportunity closed when Putin arrived on the scene. You are quite correct that the present day mindset in Russia is not conducive to forming partnerships with the EU. Pity though!
Glad you like Harleys and Labradors!
 

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