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Putin accuses Poland of colluding with Hitler

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But you of course are just an 'umble engineer. Not a troll collective. No siree.

While we have known him to be an engineer for many years, within the last few months he said he was a teacher in one thread. He said he was close to retirement.

Maybe someone else can remember what thread it was.

Luckily for me the KGB collective have me on ignore, I had the ‘cheek’ to post each and every of the 100 posts the KGB avatar had posted in a thread they repeatedly denied having ever posted in :)
 
While we have known him to be an engineer for many years, within the last few months he said he was a teacher in one thread. He said he was close to retirement.

Maybe someone else can remember what thread it was.

Luckily for me the KGB collective have me on ignore, I had the ‘cheek’ to post each and every of the 100 posts the KGB avatar had posted in a thread they repeatedly denied having ever posted in :)

Ha ha... He is fakeski.

People who speak in 'stilted' English often have no problema writing in perfect English.

Writing in an accent? That takes real skill

He is фигляр Da
 
While we have known him to be an engineer for many years, within the last few months he said he was a teacher in one thread. He said he was close to retirement.

Maybe someone else can remember what thread it was.

Luckily for me the KGB collective have me on ignore, I had the ‘cheek’ to post each and every of the 100 posts the KGB avatar had posted in a thread they repeatedly denied having ever posted in :)
Yes a was a lecturer in high school (from 1985 to 1992). Now I'm indeed an engineer, specialist in industrial automation, in power energetics. And soon I will be just a pensioner. There is no contradiction.
 
The fatality turned out to be grossly misreported IIRC. Turned out that the pole was p*ssed, got a bit aggressive and got dropped. Sadly fatally.

My next door neighbour as a wee lad was polish, came over after/during the war. Around the corner I have a friend who's mum was polish, coming over in '60s I think. Plenty of eastern European kids in the school. Families trying to make a go of it in UK rather than Easter Europe.

You're talking hoop and don't even know it.

You need to get out of your echo chamber.

Sub basement in lubyanka?
From memory the dead Pole had made racist abuse followed up bt an attack against two English youths, one defended himself and the Pole died when he hit his head on the ground.
It was racist but from the Pole.
 
German forces alone were quite able to defeat Polish army and occupy Poland.
It was irresponsible to allow Hitler to occupy whole Poland.
What was the alternative?

Fight alongside the Poles after all they wouldn't have been quite so easy to defeat if the Soviet Army to their rear was supporting them rather than attacking them -

Of course this drags Russia into a war its not ready for - but this happened anyway and from a selfish stand point at least this way the fighting's in Poland not Russia.

It also ties up the Germans nicely so they cant attack Norway - so allied aid by sea is boosted and of course the French Armies (and British army) - can move into a weakened Germany - Italy stays neutral and the war ends much sooner and without vast tracts of Russia destroyed.

Instead Russia set itself up for a much harder fall later.
 

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Yes a was a lecturer in high school (from 1985 to 1992). Now I'm indeed an engineer, specialist in industrial automation, in power energetics. And soon I will be just a pensioner. There is no contradiction.

Poor old KGB the liar.
He should stop digging now that he is in a hole.
He tells so many lies that he thinks we won’t notice THE ABSOLUTELY BLOODY MASSIVE CONTRADICTION that he CANT have retired in ‘92, and yet a few months back say he still HASNT retired yet.

KGB, give it up man, we know you are a liar.
This is just like when you kept denying you had posted in a thread, and despite me saying you had you still denied posting there, which was followed by me listing each and every one of the ONE HUNDRED separate posts you had made in that thread.

Please keep me on ignore you ridiculous lying Russian troll.
 

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@blurp, @tommikka, @scalieback,
Can any of you remember when KGB recently told us he was STILL teaching, but not far from retirement?

Im sure it was one of those times he was mentioning his Forex trading again.
 
Fight alongside the Poles after all they wouldn't have been quite so easy to defeat if the Soviet Army to their rear was supporting them rather than attacking them -

Of course this drags Russia into a war its not ready for - but this happened anyway and from a selfish stand point at least this way the fighting's in Poland not Russia.

It also ties up the Germans nicely so they cant attack Norway - so allied aid by sea is boosted and of course the French Armies (and British army) - can move into a weakened Germany - Italy stays neutral and the war ends much sooner and without vast tracts of Russia destroyed.

Instead Russia set itself up for a much harder fall later.
Let's look had UK/France and alternative to the Munich agreement? Yes, UK/France could try to defend Czechoslovakia and the Soviet union proposed its troops for this purpose. But Poland didn't allow the access. Poland itself took part in the division of Czechoslovakia. These events should be taken into account.
There were fruitless negotiations between UK/France/USSR in 1939 to create collective security system directed against Hitler. For London and Paris they were imitation of negotiations. Had UK/France an alternative? Yes, they could accept propositions made by Moscow. So Hitler would face prospect of war on two fronts in the case of aggression. It hadn't been done.
Now you suggest that the Soviet union could send hundreds thousands of its soldiers to die. In name of what? 17 September it was clear that Poland in fact is completely defeated. UK/France didn't invade Germany from the West. So it would not be logical for Stalin to invade Germany from the East. Poland would surrender. UK/France could sign peace agreement with Hitler. And ... the Soviet union that was not prepared for the war could be an easy victim of Hitler.
 

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Let's look had UK/France and alternative to the Munich agreement? Yes, UK/France could try to defend Czechoslovakia and the Soviet union proposed its troops for this purpose. But Poland didn't allow the access. Poland itself took part in the division of Czechoslovakia. These events should be taken into account.
There were fruitless negotiations between UK/France/USSR in 1939 to create collective security system directed against Hitler. For London and Paris they were imitation of negotiations. Had UK/France an alternative? Yes, they could accept propositions made by Moscow. So Hitler would face prospect of war on two fronts in the case of aggression. It hadn't been done.
Now you suggest that the Soviet union could send hundreds thousands of its soldiers to die. In name of what? 17 September it was clear that Poland in fact is completely defeated. UK/France didn't invade Germany from the West. So it would not be logical for Stalin to invade Germany from the East. Poland would surrender. UK/France could sign peace agreement with Hitler. And ... the Soviet union that was not prepared for the war could be an easy victim of Hitler.

The USSR would have been far better prepared if:

Stalin hadn’t already helped Germany prior to the war.
And.
Stalin hadn’t purged the best talent from Russian forces.

Then, as now, Russia was it’s own worst enemy. And then as now, spent its time biting off its own nose to spite its own face..............Then complaining that everything was everyone else’s fault, just like you have just done above.
 
The introduction of the teaching idea was a new one, advanced in the last running Novichok thread. The power engineer story is a relatively good cover because his masters assume that this niche field of endeavour will have few adherents on Arrse., rather like British nuclear engineers who's numbers are steadily dwindling now due to old age as opposed to people with Physics degrees who are allowed to work in the field with appropriate supervision.

I cannot remember if KGB claimed still to be doing a bit of teaching but would point out that for a power engineer to not know the units of slippage is a bit lax. It also seems strange to say the least, that a teacher can suddenly re appear as a power engineer. Assuming a degree and phd in Physics, the degree of retraining to become a power engineer would be intense.

On a more prosaic level, he and his friends are Wormtongues of the worst sort and I find them beneath contempt. He has already gained int. from this site as regards our attitudes to the Poles. That is what he does.

I also had the honour of being placed on ignore by one of the previous users of the KGB account. Think it was the "rats in cellars" one.
 

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The introduction of the teaching idea was a new one, advanced in the last running Novichok thread. The power engineer story is a relatively good cover because his masters assume that this niche field of endeavour will have few adherents on Arrse., rather like British nuclear engineers who's numbers are steadily dwindling now due to old age as opposed to people with Physics degrees who are allowed to work in the field with appropriate supervision.

I cannot remember if KGB claimed still to be doing a bit of teaching but would point out that for a power engineer to not know the units of slippage is a bit lax. It also seems strange to say the least, that a teacher can suddenly re appear as a power engineer. Assuming a degree and phd in Physics, the degree of retraining to become a power engineer would be intense.

On a more prosaic level, he and his friends are Wormtongues of the worst sort and I find them beneath contempt. He has already gained int. from this site as regards our attitudes to the Poles. That is what he does.

I also had the honour of being placed on ignore by one of the previous users of the KGB account. Think it was the "rats in cellars" one.

The ‘rats in the cellar’ period was funny imho.
The KGB avatar was in full conspiracy mode and telling us NO members of the public could enter Salisbury hospital, that Russian diplomats were being excluded and that MI5 or 6 (can’t remember which) were answering phone callers to the hospital..................Then that Russian film crew ruined his best efforts by: being Russian, being members of the public, simply walking into and around the hospital. Filming their work was the icing on the cake :)
 
Let's look had UK/France and alternative to the Munich agreement? Yes, UK/France could try to defend Czechoslovakia and the Soviet union proposed its troops for this purpose.
Not really - neither country was prepared for war - The Munich agreement was nothing more than accepting the reality and buying time - both countries had started to increase defence spending by this point they knew war was inevitable.

Logistically the UK and France can do nothing to help either - theres no way they can supply any troops they send.

There were fruitless negotiations between UK/France/USSR in 1939 to create collective security system directed against Hitler. For London and Paris they were imitation of negotiations. Had UK/France an alternative? Yes, they could accept propositions made by Moscow.
The Russian requirement was that it placed troops on Polish soil - Poland wouldn't agree to that
The UK and France cannot force it to - Russia was cynically using the appearance of friendship as a covert mode to occupy Poland

Russia could have signed the same defensive pact with Poland as the UK and France or even a separate pact - nobody placed unreasonable demands on the USSR unless you consider not basing troops in Poland unreasonable.

The 1936 Franco Russian agreement was still in effect although pretty much seen as dead by 1938

So Hitler would face prospect of war on two fronts in the case of aggression. It hadn't been done.
Rubbish 1) see 1936 agreement
2) Poland to the East France to the West - that's war on 2 Fronts - we already had that bit - it just needed the Soviets to help sustain it

Now you suggest that the Soviet union could send hundreds thousands of its soldiers to die. In name of what? 17 September it was clear that Poland in fact is completely defeated. UK/France didn't invade Germany from the West.

The UK didn't - but of course it was only just beginning to arrive in France by 17 Sept.

France did begin albeit in a half hearted manner but the Soviet stab in the back finished Poland off and freed the Germany army to send troops west and so the attack was aborted.
With French forces not fully mobilised at this point and facing a fully trained and mobilised German army the decision was probably correct in hindsight.
Soviet assistance to Poland ensures this attack goes ahead so 0 points to you - rather than Soviets would be alone if they opposed Hitler - It was the French who stood alone on Sept 17th and so cancelled the invasion.

Now you suggest that the Soviet union could send hundreds thousands of its soldiers to die. In name of what? 17 September it was clear that Poland in fact is completely defeated. UK/France didn't invade Germany from the West. So it would not be logical for Stalin to invade Germany from the East. Poland would surrender. UK/France could sign peace agreement with Hitler. And ... the Soviet union that was not prepared for the war could be an easy victim of Hitler.

Quoted twice because of course my response refers to the events post invasion and ignores the elephant in the room.

On September 17th you argue Soviet troops moved in to keep Hitler out -
You contend that it was pointless helping the Poles who were about to be defeated and go to war with Germany
It is a rather unfortunate fact then for your claims credibility that the Soviets had agreed to invade Poland in August 1939.
In August 1939 Nobody knew or suspected that Poland would fall as quickly as it did, they certainly weren't about to collapse at that point leaving the soviets facing Adolf alone.

You can argue the USSR did what it did in order to avoid war with Germany - but it really is unfeasibly large quantities of bovine excrement of the most puissant kind to argue - as you are- that the USSR did what it did in response to the speed of Polands collapse and perceived French inaction.
 
I keep miss-reading the thread title, and wondering what Poundland got out of the deal.
Well it's no less accurate than the drivel the Putin actually spouted, so fair play to you.
 
Polish parents of my Grandmother settled in Siberia more than 100 years ago. They came from Wilno area because there was not much free land at home. They lived in a big Village of Polozovo. 80 Polish families along with Russians and Ukrainians. NKVD accused my relatives as 'members' of Polish Military Organization and some were executed in 1938.
My Polish Grandmother had 4 sons. My late Father was KGB colonel and my uncle was colonel of GRU.
They must be so proud of you, carrying on the family tradition of serving a morally bankrupt regime.
 

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