Pupils lured into armed forces

#1
Teachers are accusing the Ministry of Defence of using "sophisticated" methods to lure youngsters, often in deprived areas, into the armed forces.

National Union of Teachers delegates in Manchester will debate a motion later calling for an end to "recruitment" in schools in England and Wales.

Teachers say pupils are not made fully aware of what they are signing up to.

The MoD says it is invited into about 1,000 schools a year, but its teams go to raise awareness not recruit.
NUT...behaving according to type?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7311917.stm
 
#3
From wheat I heard on the radio they don't like the fact that the forces recruit from underprivileged and deprived areas...

Or in other worlds they give underprivileged children the opportinity of a career, a job and some valuable training with lots of other benifts that not other company does. I dont see BT or HBOS recuiting from these areas!

And its not like the forces exclisively recruit from these areas, I'd hardly call Eaton an underprivileged school.


NUT= nobbers
 
#4
i tell you this chav mongs only get to the ADSC stage because it sounds good to put on their MSN name "joining the army" and i was a in school 2 years back, the army came to our year and as far as i am aware a few took booklets home but none applied.
 
#5
Also on Current affairs

Simple fact of the matter, the Armed Forces will take you even with no quals. You just have to show you have the right stuff.

Throw in to this mix an annual Education fund, a significant education fund if you wan something bigger and the option to get trained from grass roots level in many trades - often with civvie quals thrown in.

Throw in the chance to travel, live in different places and of course Adventure Training and Sport and what is there not to like.

And of course two major conflicts going on at the moment. But if you are not aware of them you must be brain dead.

The whingers are probably upset that a lad could leave their school with fcuk all, join the Army and become a well trained, educated and valuable member of society. Maybe even a teacher.
 
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chocolate_frog said:
The whingers are probably upset that a lad could leave their school with fcuk all, join the Army and become a well trained, educated and valuable member of society. Maybe even a teacher.
I dare say quite a few of us on ARRSE have trodden that road. My time in the Armed Forces (Regular, and now Volunteer) has set me up for life.

I was also taught by the last of the WW2 generation. They were pretty formidable and inspirational teachers. I wonder what they would think of this agiprop nonsense?
 
#7
chocolate_frog said:
Also on Current affairs just saw it!

The whingers are probably upset that a lad could leave their school with fcuk all, join the Army and become a well trained, educated and valuable member of society. Maybe even a teacher.
or the whingers hate the military because it represents everything they hate in the way of attitudes, values & beliefs?
 
#8
Back in 1975 the Army recruiting team that visited my school used a sophisticated technique to lure several of us underprivileged vulnerable kids into the big green machine, these included a job with prospects, self respect, adventure ( don't laugh ) a ready made bunch of mates who would back you up and a feck off big SLR.
 
#9
They want a 10% payrise. They want to stop Armed forces recruiting. They want better structured holidays. They want, They want, They want. Usual cry of the NUT.

Sometimes when you listen to them, its like they have the worst job in the world, and no one understands that. Yet if you go back through their policies, you will find they brought most of it, down on their own heads.
 
#10
On News 24 this am they reported that the Armed Forces were not being honest enough in recruiting.... Hmmm, like the 'teaching' adverts are honest- featuring obedient, happy students in small class sizes.
 
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762baynet said:
On News 24 this am they reported that the Armed Forces were not being honest enough in recruiting.... Hmmm, like the 'teaching' adverts are honest- featuring obedient, happy students in small class sizes.
:lol: good one!
 
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mac1 said:
chocolate_frog said:
Also on Current affairs just saw it!

The whingers are probably upset that a lad could leave their school with fcuk all, join the Army and become a well trained, educated and valuable member of society. Maybe even a teacher.
or the whingers hate the military because it represents everything they hate in the way of attitudes, values & beliefs?
I prefer to think they are bitter because we can succede where they failled. :D

They are teachers, they are their to teach, not get political. Teach the kids, give them all the choices and knowledge you can and let them get on with it.

762baynet said:
On News 24 this am they reported that the Armed Forces were not being honest enough in recruiting.... Hmmm, like the 'teaching' adverts are honest- featuring obedient, happy students in small class sizes.
Like it, the Teachers should be forced in to advertiseing truthfullz, with a class of approx 40 kids all dressed in burbury, throwing tin cans at the teacher.... who is having a mental breakdown in the corner.

And seeing as teachers also get stabbed on occaision, there should be scene involving a knife wielding maniac and a teacher in a pool of blood.

It´s not wrong, just honest. We don´t want kids going in to teaching with any wrong opinions of what the life is going to be like do we? Obviously the worst case scenario but.....

After all compare the "those who can teach" adverts with the following reports
Violence reported against teachers at rate of "one act per day"
Scotland reports violence against teachers UP by 50%
Government commits to tackling violence against teachers

Clearly the advert is different to the realities of teaching.

Do reckon the school car parks are filling up with "CND Staff Cars" again?
 
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762baynet said:
On News 24 this am they reported that the Armed Forces were not being honest enough in recruiting.... Hmmm, like the 'teaching' adverts are honest- featuring obedient, happy students in small class sizes.
LOL!!! Very true!!!! :p

Perhaps we should write a letter to The Times highlighting this fact! I think it would probably get published! :twisted:
 
#15
some schools need the army to go in.
with bayonets fixed and air support :twisted:
am news, bint complaining about the military ginger with facial piercing.
teacher saying he had no problem with it middle aged white bloke with tie. (obviously raciest elitist whateverelsiet :evil: some people haven't grown out of student politics.
 
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brighton hippy said:
some schools need the army to go in.
with bayonets fixed and air support :twisted:
am news, bint complaining about the military ginger with facial piercing.
teacher saying he had no problem with it middle aged white bloke with tie. (obviously raciest elitist whateverelsiet :evil: some people haven't grown out of student politics.
What the hell is a ginger doing teaching children? :twisted:
 
#17
A lot of todays papers are covering this story aswell.

"STATE schools should be forced to open their doors to Islamic preachers teaching the Koran, the largest classroom union demanded yesterday.

The National Union of Teachers’ conference also said existing religious schools – almost all of them Christian – should have to admit pupils from other faiths.

The union’s general secretary Steve Sinnott said that allowing Muslim imams to preach in schools would be a way to reunite divided communities."


So not only do they want to stop recruitment, but they want to train the enemy aswell FFS.
 
#18
To add my two pen'orth. From the BBC (LINK):
Mr Kelly added: "We are talking about a much more sophisticated method of recruitment - putting eligible young people who are good communicators in assembly halls."
This suggests that Mr Kelly thinks that teachers are neither "eligible" nor good communicators. A pretty resounding condemnation of his own members, I would suggest.
 
#19
When I was a teenager the recruitment slogan for teachers was "Nobody forgets a good teacher" and I have found on the whole that this is true. I could literally count on one hand the "Good" teachers I have had in 17 years of education.
However in 5 years in the Army I have found the opposite to be true, as it is the bad apples that stick out like sore thumbs.

mac1 said:
chocolate_frog said:
Also on Current affairs just saw it!

The whingers are probably upset that a lad could leave their school with fcuk all, join the Army and become a well trained, educated and valuable member of society. Maybe even a teacher.
Or the whingers hate the military because it represents everything they hate in the way of attitudes, values & beliefs?
Would the NUT rather kids in poor areas (Sorry forgetting my New Speak "Underprivileged Areas") learn the values and standards of the Army ( http://www.army.mod.uk/servingsoldier/usefulinfo/valuesgeneral/values/ss_hrpers_values_sldr_w.html ) or the values and standards of their society ("Fcuk you Jack I'm having my cider, 20 L&B, 6 illegitimate kids and house on the social")?

Perhaps the NUT dislike the military, as the military succeed where the NUT fail. I.E turning out motivated and disciplined people, not dishonest, disrespectful drains on society.
 
#20
I seem to recall way, way back in the early 1980s, Lefty Derek Hatton and Friends in the then Liverpool Council also accused the MoD of trying to recruit 'Cannon Fodder' for the Army. As for the NUT, that just about decribes that organisations.....'NUTs'...the 'National Union of Teachers' so it is beleived it stands for.... More like the 'Naff Union of Tits'....

The NUT has always been a bit 'Lefty' in its 'Worldview', but that is their right to be whatever 'words want to be meant'. As for trying to ban Forces Recruiting Teams from schools, well thats just a nonsense. Does that mean the NUT also want Youth organisations such as the ATC, CCF and similar also banned from schools. Maybe if somebody started up a 'Young Pioneers' club, or 'Communist Youth League', that will do just fine!!

Yes... I deffinately was 'lured' into the Army. I was sat in this Pub, p*ssed out of my mind, and this Recruiting Sergeant says...'Lad, do Ye want to serve thee Queen and Country?' ..'Do Ye want to travel to Foreign Climes?'
... 'do thee want to shoot Ye Musket, Lad?'

It was the sound of them drums, bagpipes and trumpets wot swung it fer me.... once Oi had taken the Kings Shilling, it was of to be a Sodjer it was.....

Oi Vay! Then I woke up in Sunny Catterick!! But hey, it could have been like that in the times of the dear Old Queen Vic.... But it was of to Catterick Garrison... and the rest was history. Was I brainwashed... I don't know.... But I did 'Luve' My Sergeant Major Dearie..... Now that is a tall tale..... 8) 8) 8O
 

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