Publicising your training

#1
We know everyone turns in and gets told about training e.g. adverts on the walls, training programme, announced during parades....

But is that a tad old fashioned? Emails and texts now seem to be common place but is that the 'army' embracing common media methods of the noughties???

Take this weekend for example. Had little contact via traditional means (aka phone) but loads on facebook, arrse, MSN Messenger etc. Won't be suprised if I walk into a C3 paradox, getting told not to organise training via the internet but most people will be attending because it was publicised on the internet (I doubt this is typical, just a number of sub units are remote from the snowed in main location)
 
#2
I like this:
 

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The_Duke

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#3
msr said:
I like this:
It has been said before but whoever attended that weekend was either sorely disappointed that everything was not done that was shown on the advert, or severely short changed by a number of rushed, bluffed lessons. There is a couple of weekends worth of work there - at least - if done properly.

If it were a commercial advert, the ASA would have something to say about it. If you are going to advertise your training, make sure that the adverts meet reality, and that the "reality" is achievable.

We use posters and sign up sheets in the TAC, training programmes sent to the soldiers, email and telephone calls - and still have to take a best guess on who will turn up!
 

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#4
The_Duke said:
There is a couple of weekends worth of work there - at least - if done properly.
And the rest! You could base a couple of month's worth of training program around that list.

Ref WO's. The fashion at our unit is for 'rapide' group texts and emails. Section commanders then chase up their flocks for attendance figures.
 
#5
I didn't say it was perfect, I said I liked it ;)

I am not sure what the security ramifications of planning a TA w/e via facebook are however.

Why are you not using armynet?

msr
 

The_Duke

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#6
msr said:
I didn't say it was perfect, I said I liked it ;)

msr
Not perfect? You would need a time machine to keep going back to the start of the weekend time after time to get through it all.

As a point of interest, how did it run? Did everyone come out of it fully Ninja'd up? :D
 
#7
It was some time ago and I don't think I could make it... but I seem to recall a bit of 'sweat, grin, brag' on the next Tuesday.

msr
 

The_Duke

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#8
msr said:
It was some time ago and I don't think I could make it... but I seem to recall a bit of 'sweat, grin, brag' on the next Tuesday.

msr
Did they all run around telling everyone that they are "soldier first" and can "do infantry stuff as well as an infantryman, but also do signals"? :D
 
#10
The_Duke said:
msr said:
It was some time ago and I don't think I could make it... but I seem to recall a bit of 'sweat, grin, brag' on the next Tuesday.

msr
Did they all run around telling everyone that they are "soldier first" and can "do infantry stuff as well as an infantryman, but also do signals"? :D
Well, seeing as I am in an artillery unit, er, no :)

It was a fun weekend, you know that old fashioned and (it would appear) deeply unpopular retention stuff...
 
#11
Blyth_spirit said:
msr said:
Why are you not using armynet?
He's funny - he makes me laugh!
No, he's right. My unit has a Private Community on ArmyNet detailing all the admin bits that you need to know about as soon as they are known by the grown-ups.

It avoids postal problems and assists your personal admin by not having to find the letter you received six weeks ago.
 

The_Duke

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#12
msr said:
The_Duke said:
msr said:
It was some time ago and I don't think I could make it... but I seem to recall a bit of 'sweat, grin, brag' on the next Tuesday.

msr
Did they all run around telling everyone that they are "soldier first" and can "do infantry stuff as well as an infantryman, but also do signals"? :D
Well, seeing as I am in an artillery unit, er, no :)

It was a fun weekend, you know that old fashioned and (it would appear) deeply unpopular retention stuff...
There is a big difference between "fun" and "sheer comedy"!

Banter aside, it is possible to do retention positive, fun, realistic and achievable training. If whichever lunatic planned that weekend had stripped out some of his dozens of TOs, this could easily have been achieved.

Contact drills theory in the Saturday morning, then a few walk throughs, then a few noisy runs through. Throw in some vehicle drills and you have a really interesting, noisy and relevant days training. Do the same at night to see how much harder it is in C2 terms. On Sunday, do the same with urban patrols or room clearance drills.

2 days of good training and genuinely relevant to anyone, whatever their capbadge or role. They all run the risk of a convoy being ambushed, and potentially getting involved in urban ops if accompanying patrols working from a FOB location.

Relevant - check.
Loads of blank/pyro - check
Physically challenging - check
Mentally challenging - check (esp for comds)
Fun - check (I have been doing these sorts of things for years and still get a buzz out of it, so even more so for soldiers who have not done much of it before)
 
#13
The_Duke said:
msr said:
The_Duke said:
msr said:
It was some time ago and I don't think I could make it... but I seem to recall a bit of 'sweat, grin, brag' on the next Tuesday.

msr
Did they all run around telling everyone that they are "soldier first" and can "do infantry stuff as well as an infantryman, but also do signals"? :D
Well, seeing as I am in an artillery unit, er, no :)

It was a fun weekend, you know that old fashioned and (it would appear) deeply unpopular retention stuff...
There is a big difference between "fun" and "sheer comedy"!

Banter aside, it is possible to do retention positive, fun, realistic and achievable training. If whichever lunatic planned that weekend had stripped out some of his dozens of TOs, this could easily have been achieved.

Contact drills theory in the Saturday morning, then a few walk throughs, then a few noisy runs through. Throw in some vehicle drills and you have a really interesting, noisy and relevant days training. Do the same at night to see how much harder it is in C2 terms. On Sunday, do the same with urban patrols or room clearance drills.

2 days of good training and genuinely relevant to anyone, whatever their capbadge or role. They all run the risk of a convoy being ambushed, and potentially getting involved in urban ops if accompanying patrols working from a FOB location.

Relevant - check.
Loads of blank/pyro - check
Physically challenging - check
Mentally challenging - check (esp for comds)
Fun - check (I have been doing these sorts of things for years and still get a buzz out of it, so even more so for soldiers who have not done much of it before)
I'll let him know :roll:
 

The_Duke

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#14
msr said:
The_Duke said:
msr said:
The_Duke said:
msr said:
It was some time ago and I don't think I could make it... but I seem to recall a bit of 'sweat, grin, brag' on the next Tuesday.

msr
Did they all run around telling everyone that they are "soldier first" and can "do infantry stuff as well as an infantryman, but also do signals"? :D
Well, seeing as I am in an artillery unit, er, no :)

It was a fun weekend, you know that old fashioned and (it would appear) deeply unpopular retention stuff...
There is a big difference between "fun" and "sheer comedy"!

Banter aside, it is possible to do retention positive, fun, realistic and achievable training. If whichever lunatic planned that weekend had stripped out some of his dozens of TOs, this could easily have been achieved.

Contact drills theory in the Saturday morning, then a few walk throughs, then a few noisy runs through. Throw in some vehicle drills and you have a really interesting, noisy and relevant days training. Do the same at night to see how much harder it is in C2 terms. On Sunday, do the same with urban patrols or room clearance drills.

2 days of good training and genuinely relevant to anyone, whatever their capbadge or role. They all run the risk of a convoy being ambushed, and potentially getting involved in urban ops if accompanying patrols working from a FOB location.

Relevant - check.
Loads of blank/pyro - check
Physically challenging - check
Mentally challenging - check (esp for comds)
Fun - check (I have been doing these sorts of things for years and still get a buzz out of it, so even more so for soldiers who have not done much of it before)
I'll let him know :roll:
Please do. If he wants to know how to plan some infantry training, suggest he gives his nearest infantry unit a call - they know what is achievable.

I am planning on going an interest weekend on the artillery soon. I propose to cover gun drills, misfire drills, laying/aiming and fire missions on Saturday morning followed by fire discipline over the norgies of stew at lunch. In the afternoon I will teach everyone fire control orders including coord illume and smoke tasks. On Sunday we will put everything together with a grand finale - we will occupy the gun line before first light, adjust all target, fire a Bg fire plan and bug out before the coaches arrive at 1100hrs.

Does that sound OK?
 
#15
Our Coy use a secret Group on Facebook, which cannot be viewed by anyone else other than members, and only designated administrators can add members. Seems to work in terms as letting everyone know what is going on, but nothing that would compromise OPSEC etc is posted.
 
#16
SWEATY_MONG said:
Our Coy use a secret Group on Facebook, which cannot be viewed by anyone else other than members, and only designated administrators can add members. Seems to work in terms as letting everyone know what is going on, but nothing that would compromise OPSEC etc is posted.
I would hope then that facebook never take on anyone with admin rights who is less than totally above board, and that you think really hard about just how easy it would be to compromise yourself or your Coy's activities with the information needed for 'what's going on'

Saying you have a 'secret' group on facebook is only true for a given value of 'secret', and it is closer to Gen Melchett's definition of secret in blackadder than anything truly secret.
 
#17
The_Duke said:
I am planning on going an interest weekend on the artillery soon. I propose to cover gun drills, misfire drills, laying/aiming and fire missions on Saturday morning followed by fire discipline over the norgies of stew at lunch. In the afternoon I will teach everyone fire control orders including coord illume and smoke tasks. On Sunday we will put everything together with a grand finale - we will occupy the gun line before first light, adjust all target, fire a Bg fire plan and bug out before the coaches arrive at 1100hrs.

Does that sound OK?
No. There's no "e" in illum, nor illumination, for that matter. :wink:
 
#18
The_Duke said:
I am planning on going an interest weekend on the artillery soon. I propose to cover gun drills, misfire drills, laying/aiming and fire missions on Saturday morning followed by fire discipline over the norgies of stew at lunch. In the afternoon I will teach everyone fire control orders including coord illume and smoke tasks. On Sunday we will put everything together with a grand finale - we will occupy the gun line before first light, adjust all target, fire a Bg fire plan and bug out before the coaches arrive at 1100hrs.

Does that sound OK?
Yup, quite achievable, sounds like the live firing weekends we used to achieve as a matter of course 15 years ago. You forgot loading up on Friday night and firing coord illum missions by midnight, the night convoy move with rolling replen on Saturday and the move to alternate position between adjustment and firing of the BC's fireplan. Other than that you're bang on the money.

I doubt whether the gun regts today could pull this level off. Too busy prepping individuals for ops to spend time developing the collective skills required, even if we did have the MTDs, equipment, training areas and ammo. All this before GCM kills it off for good - but that's progress.
 
#19
Blyth_spirit said:
msr said:
Why are you not using armynet?
He's funny - he makes me laugh!
Too complicated for officers, operators and drivers.... well near enough everyone.

As for arty on weekends.... have done that with mortars but just got scallies doing basic jobs.

As for inf weekends... no one seems to like my idea of a patrol (/tab) with a HF radio
 

The_Duke

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#20
Blyth_spirit said:
The_Duke said:
I am planning on going an interest weekend on the artillery soon. I propose to cover gun drills, misfire drills, laying/aiming and fire missions on Saturday morning followed by fire discipline over the norgies of stew at lunch. In the afternoon I will teach everyone fire control orders including coord illume and smoke tasks. On Sunday we will put everything together with a grand finale - we will occupy the gun line before first light, adjust all target, fire a Bg fire plan and bug out before the coaches arrive at 1100hrs.

Does that sound OK?
Yup, quite achievable, sounds like the live firing weekends we used to achieve as a matter of course 15 years ago. You forgot loading up on Friday night and firing coord illum missions by midnight, the night convoy move with rolling replen on Saturday and the move to alternate position between adjustment and firing of the BC's fireplan. Other than that you're bang on the money.

I doubt whether the gun regts today could pull this level off. Too busy prepping individuals for ops to spend time developing the collective skills required, even if we did have the MTDs, equipment, training areas and ammo. All this before GCM kills it off for good - but that's progress.
As a swept up Battery, very possible and we did similar in the mortar Pl - in the same way that msr's weekend would be possible for a well worked up Inf Coy who are fully up to speed with everything and are just combining it in a good demanding exercise. As something advertised as ideal for theose who have just completed CMSR, however...

Puttees - I will now go away and thrash myself for my careless application of a rogue "e"! :D
 

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