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Provost Branch AGC (RMP)

#1
Why do the Provost Branch AGC (RMP) still, after well over 10 years of being AGC still wear the old RMP cap badge? I can see they have a case for wearing the red beret as the red obviously is there to tell people to 'stop' traffic light stylee, and the normal AGC green beret would give the impression of meaning 'go', which is a concept they never seem to want to put across. But not wearing their own corps cap badge? What's the matter? Are they ashamed of being grouped with clerks, pay specialists and educators? Their old corps no longer exists and they are now just a branch of the AGC, someting they really should get used to in the same way that everyone else who found themselves in the AGC had to get used to when the corps was formed rather than acting like a bunch of spoilt children throwing a tantrum.

You are AGC, wear the badge!
 
#2
Plant-Pilot said:
Why do the (1) Provost Branch AGC (RMP) still, after well over 10 years of being AGC still wear the (2) old RMP cap badge? I can see they have a case for wearing the red beret as the red obviously is there to tell people to 'stop' traffic light stylee, and the normal AGC green beret would give the impression of meaning 'go', which is a concept they never seem to want to put across. But not wearing their own corps cap badge? What's the matter? (3) Are they ashamed of being grouped with clerks, pay specialists and educators? Their old corps no longer exists and they are now just a branch of the AGC, someting they really should get used to in the same way that everyone else who found themselves in the AGC had to get used to when the corps was formed rather than acting like a bunch of spoilt children throwing a tantrum.

You are AGC, wear the badge!
(1) The Branch is actually AGC (PRO) which consists of RMP and MPS (who incidentally continue to wear their own cap badge - and beret - too)
(2) Actually it isn't the "old" RMP cap badge, it's the current one - which I think is the gist of your whinge
(3) Ashamed is perhaps not the word - but we see a need to stand apart from them too - other wise who knows who might impersonate a police officer ?

I would suggest two things;

(a) Live and let live

(b) Wouldn't you want to know when you are talking to a policeman or prison warder rather than a clerk or teacher ?

I assume your beloved corps lost its identity at some stage - the Buffs perhaps ?

By the way - we retained the RMP shoulder titles too so you can have a whine about that as well !
 
#3
Well if that's the only reason, so you know you are talking to a 'policeman', that would be why I agree with retaining the red beret, and the MP flash on combats would be a give away in helmets as well, before you try that one. But not wearing the AGC cap badge? Sorry, as excuses go, it's no wonder you lot can't accept anyone's word as the truth if you lot lead the way in pathetic excuses.

So I was right then, no real reason for it at all.

And I'm RE, not amalgamated with anyone so no winge from this c/s on that score.
 
#4
Plant-Pilot said:
Well if that's the only reason, so you know you are talking to a 'policeman', that would be why I agree with retaining the red beret, and the MP flash on combats would be a give away in helmets as well, before you try that one. But not wearing the AGC cap badge? Sorry, as excuses go, it's no wonder you lot can't accept anyone's word as the truth if you lot lead the way in pathetic excuses.

So I was right then, no real reason for it at all.

And I'm RE, not amalgamated with anyone so no winge from this c/s on that score.
So - live and let live then
 
#5
RMP under the AGC banner, doesn't that have something to do with administration? So what if they fought hard enough to keep a little of their identity against all the defence cuts, rather than slagging them off, we should be applauding their heirarchy for being positive towards their trade, something a lot of high rankers often lose sight of.
 
#6
exemplo_ducemus said:
So - live and let live then
By 'live and let live', don't you mean 'let sleeping dogs lie'? You maybe think that if you don't make a fuss nobody further up the chain will notice that as far as you lot are concerned the RMP were never amalgamated with the AGC.

Now I would never have brought this up if it wasn't for a certain member of the AGC who swore blind that he wasn't AGC and that the RMP was still it's own corps. Like I said before, how can you expect the rest of the army to tell you the truth if you can't tell the truth yourselves.
 
#7
Quote 'Like I said before, how can you expect the rest of the army to tell you the truth if you can't tell the truth yourselves. ' Unquote

Eh, have a word fella, you're spouting utter tripe in here! L/Cpl Bloggs, or even Col Numbnuts the III didn't have a say in what cap badge he wears on his ferret, so stop your dribbling, ask the nurse for your change of underpants and get a life! Oh and by the way, why don't you ask your local plod rather than stirring shit on here?
 
#8
As said. Local plod in a deluded world where he isn't AGC or unable to tell the truth or refusing to accept the truth. Now I knew that the Provost Branch were AGC, he didn't seem to.

It also seems that you get quite upset when somebody mentions it..... Now it doesn' matter who gets to say who wears what cap badge, the question was why. The only answer was that it's so we can tell an MP form a clerk, which isn't much of an answer. An MP armband or patch, with a red beret and your AGC cap badge, not to mention a shinny car with lights on top seem to be real give aways. For anyone who's still not completely convinced there is always the option of asking to see your warrant card. After all, if someone wants to impersonate a policeman, I don't think a red berret and an RMP cap badge is too difficult to get hold of, completely negating the argument.
 
#9
So if the real question is why, why are you asking in this place? Do you think the white collar workers from Whitehall frequent this place to answer your little niggling questions?

Sorry mate, don't fink so.
 
#10
Very defensive there. What's the matter, don't you want to dicuss it? Normally you complain when people don't talk..... but maybe not when you don't know the answers?
 
#11
beg to differ fella, but I have no affiliation to RMP, quite the opposite in fact. But it does grip my shit when folk sound off at the troops for things that happen way out of our payscale.
 
#12
Plant-Pilot said:
For anyone who's still not completely convinced there is always the option of asking to see your warrant card. After all, if someone wants to impersonate a policeman, I don't think a red berret and an RMP cap badge is too difficult to get hold of, completely negating the argument.
My understanding is that RMP no longer have warrant cards?
Your general tenor on here seems to be such that if a warrant card were produced to you, you would exercise your brain by jumping to the conclusion that it was a forgery. Why would anyone want to get hold of a red beret and RMP cap badge just to talk to you?
 
#13
OldRedCap said:
My understanding is that RMP no longer have warrant cards?
Your general tenor on here seems to be such that if a warrant card were produced to you, you would exercise your brain by jumping to the conclusion that it was a forgery. Why would anyone want to get hold of a red beret and RMP cap badge just to talk to you?
If you look down the thread you'll see that the reason voiced for retaining the cap badge was that if they had an AGC cap badge you couldn't tell an MP from a clerk, and any clerk could impersonate a policeman.

Is it true that MPs aren't issued warrant cards? How can I prove that someone who says they are a military policeman is what they say they are. After all, we all have ID cards to prove we are in the army and civvy coppers have warant cards to prove they are coppers. Seems all you need to say you're a monkey is a red beret and an RMP cap badge. That said I've never heard of anyone wnating to impersonate an MP, but it wasn't me who brought that up.
 
#14
OldRedCap said:
Plant-Pilot said:
For anyone who's still not completely convinced there is always the option of asking to see your warrant card. After all, if someone wants to impersonate a policeman, I don't think a red berret and an RMP cap badge is too difficult to get hold of, completely negating the argument.
My understanding is that RMP no longer have warrant cards?
Your general tenor on here seems to be such that if a warrant card were produced to you, you would exercise your brain by jumping to the conclusion that it was a forgery. Why would anyone want to get hold of a red beret and RMP cap badge just to talk to you?
RMP no longer have Warrant Cards? I'd best tell the lads in the office to send there's back to Upavon then! I'm sure the Provost Marshal would love to see them............. NOT!
 
#15
Plant-Pilot said:
Very defensive there. What's the matter, don't you want to dicuss it? Normally you complain when people don't talk..... but maybe not when you don't know the answers?
aes69 is trying to put across a perspective from a service police point of view. He isnt even a romper so steady old fruit. AND cap badges DO matter, or are you oblivious to all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the regiment amalgamations! I'm not a romper either, just worked with a few decent ones, few numpties too...
 
#16
Plant-Pilot said:
If you look down the thread you'll see that the reason voiced for retaining the cap badge was that if they had an AGC cap badge you couldn't tell an MP from a clerk, and any clerk could impersonate a policeman.

Is it true that MPs aren't issued warrant cards? How can I prove that someone who says they are a military policeman is what they say they are. After all, we all have ID cards to prove we are in the army and civvy coppers have warant cards to prove they are coppers. Seems all you need to say you're a monkey is a red beret and an RMP cap badge. That said I've never heard of anyone wnating to impersonate an MP, but it wasn't me who brought that up.
I didn't say that the reason for retaining the cap badge was so that you can tell the difference between a policeman and a clerk- I merely asked whether you would like to tell the difference between a policeman and a clerk.

Yes, warrant cards are still carried.

I can tell you are a master of debate - the way you use reasoned argument, clever use of wit, itelligent philosophical points.
 
#17
Plant-Pilot said:
Why do the Provost Branch AGC (RMP) still, after well over 10 years of being AGC still wear the old RMP cap badge? I can see they have a case for wearing the red beret as the red obviously is there to tell people to 'stop' traffic light stylee, and the normal AGC green beret would give the impression of meaning 'go', which is a concept they never seem to want to put across. But not wearing their own corps cap badge? What's the matter? Are they ashamed of being grouped with clerks, pay specialists and educators? Their old corps no longer exists and they are now just a branch of the AGC, someting they really should get used to in the same way that everyone else who found themselves in the AGC had to get used to when the corps was formed rather than acting like a bunch of spoilt children throwing a tantrum.
You are AGC, wear the badge!
With that in mind, should all RAC regiments give up their respective capbadges and wear the RAC Gauntlet. After all they are RAC...
I think not.
 
#18
exemplo_ducemus said:
Yes, warrant cards are still carried.
My understanding was wrong - sorry. However, I have to say that with 22 years + as member of SIB, I was not once asked to produce a warrant card and it was not routine to flash them about. Much of my time was spent outside UK/BAOR in countries where one might expect to be asked more often for confirmation of status. Perhaps we acted or looked different in those days?
 
#19
OldRedCap said:
exemplo_ducemus said:
Yes, warrant cards are still carried.
My understanding was wrong - sorry. However, I have to say that with 22 years + as member of SIB, I was not once asked to produce a warrant card and it was not routine to flash them about. Much of my time was spent outside UK/BAOR in countries where one might expect to be asked more often for confirmation of status. Perhaps we acted or looked different in those days?
Hi Guys

Im not here to give anyone a (cyber) kicking but what happens now? the RMP have left Chi to live up there on the hill in the joint service police centre. So,

Question 1. Are Navy Regulators (The Senior Service) now going to be policemen and have a warrant card? and drive around now with blues and twos fitted?

Question 2. I agree there will be some commonality of training, but will that mean the RMP/RAFP/Regulators will all have the same basic training? therefore making everyone EXACTLY the same, not sure about Phase 2, but any branch could argue that as they have done the same training as RMP/RAFP/Regs, why cant I be CP alongside RMP for example?

Past Red caps in here have to concede and admit that for zillions of years now, the RMP have been under manned ( I was even seconded to 158 Coy in Bulford as GMP in the early 70's becaus they RMP were so short) so, will we see a Tri-service police post in JHQ for example? I know RAFP/RMP have manned that place for years.

Question 3. Will we see a Master at Arms as (RSM sort off) in the new centre or will the RMP fight that too?

Its simple guys, your hanging onto what the rest of us have had ripped out of us over the last few decades, I can see a one cap badged military policeman(woman) coming soon, so, as its coming, its your chance to make it what you want it to be, but when it comes, dont winge when you see this new police force if you didnt do anything about it now.
Rant over, back to work
 
#20
I too like many who were unwillingly dragged into the AGC, never refered to myself as AGC, but only as RMP. The reason for this is that whenever I was identifying myself in statements etc, it was in my specific function as a RMP, my membership as part of the over all AGC was irrelevant. I always had a warrant card, and only had to produce it a couple of times when in plain clothes working with civpol.

You could take this further and suggest the the RE along with everyone else just start using the term BA, just like the RN and RAF.
 

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