Prove your 21, Sonny..

Drinking over 21 only?

  • fcuking mother state - rules say 18 and so it should stay

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  • More controlled drinking environment for the juniors should be a good thing

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#1
I found this on the BBC Scotland bit. With the amount of hassle that was happening on an all too regular occurance, all the towns' booze retailers signed up to a police scheme to only sell drink to over 21s.

The link is Here

What surprised me is that that the scheme has already been proven so successful in Cleveland (right nice area 8O ) that it has been permanantly adopted. Anyone in that area who can verify this?

Personally I think it is a good idea (but I will admit it has been a few years since I was that age and so merrily expect flack for saying so :D ). Note that pubs don't fall under the rules so with a bit of luck those that will continue drinking will do so in a slightly more regulated environment.

This does leave the door open for someone - some junior PM in waiting to make his/her name on, no doubt - to turn around and propose US style rules of over 21s only as a nation wide policy - something I'd be more than a bit leery to suppport.

As an after thought, I do find it all a bit of a joke considering this Government's policies for 24 hr drinking. Not really proving to be a workable policy, is it?
 
#2
Don't under 21s regularly die in the US due to drinking and driving. If the police in America cannot police such a law, I would suggest finding other ways of changing any perceived binge drinking
 

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#3
Slippery slope. Prohibition is always a bad thing. Much of the US drug problems in college is related to the no booze before 21 rule. Blow is easier to get than booze.

Too much Nanny statism.
 
#4
I knew that they'd been running this Challenge 21 scheme where from what I understand if you look under 21 they'll ask you to prover that your over 18 or refuse the sale but not even selling to under 21s? That's new.
 
#5
in_the_cheapseats said:
This does leave the door open for someone - some junior PM in waiting to make his/her name on, no doubt - to turn around and propose US style rules of over 21s only as a nation wide policy - something I'd be more than a bit leery to suppport.
Coincidentally, there are discussions in the USA to lower the legal drinking age to 18 - in some states it would be for military personnel only!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-03-20-drinkingage_N.htm

USAToday said:
Debate over lowering the drinking age is heating up in several states, fueled in part by legislators who contend that men and women who are old enough to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are responsible enough to buy alcohol legally.
Legislation introduced in Kentucky, Wisconsin and South Carolina would lower the drinking age for military personnel only.
I wonder if it would improve recruitment figures? :)

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#6
Anyone that suggests that a 'New' law is the answer, clearly hasn't understood the problem.

I give you the Handgun Ban, The Dangerous Dogs Act and the ASBO.
 
#7
That could be funny, Anyone fancy booking the former Wicked Witch of No.10 on this one? Clear breach of an 18 years old's legal right to go into a pub and buy beer.....!
 
#8
Right so you can work all week, pay Taxes, get Married, vote or Die in your Countries service but you can't have a pint. Sniff glue Lads you can buy that at 18.
 
#9
Thats a move in the wrong direction imo.

European countries don't have as bad a problem and they can drink at 16. I think it's to do with what jarrod was saying, if you're trusted with it and made familiar with it, it won't be a forbidden fruit so you're less likely to overdo it.
 
#10
Trick said:
Thats a move in the wrong direction imo.

European countries don't have as bad a problem and they can drink at 16. I think it's to do with what jarrod was saying, if you're trusted with it and made familiar with it, it won't be a forbidden fruit so you're less likely to overdo it.
So in other words, government policy in trying to make the UK conform to EU drinking regimes is right and we should all grow up?
 
#11
in_the_cheapseats said:
Trick said:
Thats a move in the wrong direction imo.

European countries don't have as bad a problem and they can drink at 16. I think it's to do with what jarrod was saying, if you're trusted with it and made familiar with it, it won't be a forbidden fruit so you're less likely to overdo it.
So in other words, government policy in trying to make the UK conform to EU drinking regimes is right and we should all grow up?
No, using tried and tested methods to solve the same problem?

But I agree, the way spetics do things will always trump the mainland europe does things. Hang on. . .
 
#12
Random_Task said:
Prove you're 21? Surely the classic "What colour's the boat house at Hereford?" should suffice?
And the relevance of this little bit of info to the nation is what? :roll:
 
#13
Trick said:
Thats a move in the wrong direction imo.

European countries don't have as bad a problem and they can drink at 16. I think it's to do with what jarrod was saying if you're trusted with it and made familiar with it, it won't be a forbidden fruit so you're less likely to overdo it.
Sorry to lower the tone but that cracked me up!
 
#14
jarrod248 said:
Is this what you were thinking of?

Telegraph report

Children who drink alcohol at home are less likely to become problem drinkers, researchers said yesterday.

A survey of teenagers found that while almost all of them had started drinking, two out of five were regularly binge drinking.

But the 15- and 16-year-olds who were introduced to alcohol at home were less likely to binge drink.

The report contrasts with a call by the charity Alcohol Concern to prosecute parents who give alcohol to under 15s.

It suggests instead that the Continental custom of sharing wine at home produces more sensible attitudes later in life.The study says: "Parental provision of alcohol to children in a family environment may be important in... moderating youth consumption."

Researchers also recommend limiting pocket money, because £10 a week is enough for a child to get "drunk" at least three times.

Professor Mark Bellis, the director of the public health centre at Liverpool John Moores University, who carried out the research, criticised the drinks industry for making alcohol too cheap. "We are giving children money but we don't necessarily think about what they spend it on," he said.

The report into the habits of 1,000 teenagers aged 15 and 16 echoes figures showing an increase in binge drinking among even younger groups.

Alcohol Concern found that the amount consumed by girls under 13 has increased by more than 82 per cent in the past six years. In boys, consumption has risen by more than 43 per cent.

British youngsters are also among the worst in Europe for binge drinking, defined as two thirds of a bottle of wine for women or four pints of beer for men by the Office for National Statistics.

Prof Bellis did not agree with prosecuting parents. "The children who were being provided with some alcohol at home were less likely to do the most damaging types of drinking," he said.

Frank Soodeen, spokesman for Alcohol Concern, said: "Parental engagement in children's drinking is desirable.

"Any environment where there is support and control is more conducive to raising responsible drinkers. But there is a serious issue with affordability of alcohol."

A spokesman for the Department of Health said: "We are working with the alcohol industry to encourage the responsible production and sale of alcohol.

"The strategy to be published this summer will drive reductions in alcohol-related offending and harmful behaviour through education, treatment and tough penalties."
 
#15
Most supermarkets round here have the "Challenge 21" thing in place. I didn't really have a problem with it up until getting ID'd twice the other week.

I wouldn't mind but I'm very close to 30, had an uphill paper round and own a face that scares children!

What annoyed me more was the backdoor raising of the smoking age from 16 to 18. Without fanfare or pretty much any announcement at all this has immediately criminalised a large section of an already disaffected youth.

Rights or wrongs of smoking aside this smacks of prohibition. Thoughts anyone?

Tubs

Edited for minor spelling.
 
#16
jarrod248 said:
Oh and some other stuff I read couple of years ago for info. for people with kids a study was done in holiday resorts such as Ibiza and it's not surprising that teenagers are more likely to use drugs or start taking drugs in these type of resorts and are more likely to have risky sexual activity.
Surely that is flawed?

The reason people GO TO these places is for the above. Not to get influenced while there?
 
#17
jarrod248 said:
All_I_Want said:
jarrod248 said:
Oh and some other stuff I read couple of years ago for info. for people with kids a study was done in holiday resorts such as Ibiza and it's not surprising that teenagers are more likely to use drugs or start taking drugs in these type of resorts and are more likely to have risky sexual activity.
Surely that is flawed?

The reason people GO TO these places is for the above. Not to get influenced while there?
No the research was quite clear that due to people drinking more than what they are used to that they engaged in things they wouldn't normally do at home.
I say again, the reason people GO TO these places is for the above, it takes a certain type of people to go there ergo the study is flawed.
These places attract these people. I know I used to be one.
 
#18
have you noticed that the Govt definintion of "binge drinking" is 5 units or more consumed in one session. A unit is half a pint of ordinary beer,so washing your pub lunch down with a couple of pints of best is now binging.
Bunch of pussies.
Binge drinking is waking up a week later in a different town with a new tattoo,a police record,and no memory at all
 
#19
Just sell beer to everyone who is over 12yo. Spirits can be reserved for 18yo. 24hours a day.

They´ll soon get bored of it.
 
#20
chocolate_frog said:
Just sell beer to everyone who is over 12yo. Spirits can be reserved for 18yo. 24hours a day.

They´ll soon get bored of it.
That would probably work. Take the thrill out of it.
Question is, why are we such a nation of weak willed substance abusers to start with?
 

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