Prosecuting PIRA fugitives not in the public interest

#1
From the Guardian:

Prosecutions of IRA fugitives and members of the security forces accused of collusion are to be dropped in the 'public interest', it was claimed last night.

The UK's Director of Public Prosecutions and the Attorney General are to be asked to shelve cases against on-the-run republicans as part of a final deal between Sinn Fein and Downing Street.

The government is also asking that no charges be brought against policemen and soldiers accused of colluding with loyalists. These include those named in files sent to the DPP by Sir John Stevens as part of his inquiry into the murder of lawyer Pat Finucane in 1989.

The SDLP justice spokesman, Alex Attwood, said the party had information that the fugitives will be able to return to Northern Ireland soon. 'I'm confident that the British government will use the same ploy they used in the Saudi arms controversy. It will not be in the public interest either to prosecute the on-the-runs or those named in the Stevens file, which was handed to the DPP three years and eight months ago.'
Irish government sources pointed out there have been several agreements involving Tony Blair's administration and Sinn Fein in the build-up to devolution restoration day on 26 March.

Peter Hain, the Northern Ireland Secretary, has admitted that the government will no longer use parliamentary legislation to grant the on-the-runs amnesties. In 2005 a government bill dealing with the issue was sabotaged by an alliance of Tories, Liberal Democrats, unionists and a number of backbench Labour MPs.

Meanwhile, several senior retired RUC officers are considering their next move following devastating criticism of the now defunct force's Special Branch in the report by the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland, Nuala O'Loan, on the killing of Raymond McCord by the Ulster Volunteer Force in 1997.

A senior ex-RUC officer made clear that, if there was another 'Operation Ballast' - the codename for the ombudsman's latest investigation - some officers would consider 'outing' a number of informers, including several leading republicans. A number of them refused to co-operate with her inquiry team because they claim the ombudsman's' office didn't make clear whether they were being questioned as part of a criminal investigation or a public inquiry.

'Another similar inquiry would push people to the edge,' said the officer, who has had more than 25 years in counter-terrorism operations. 'A lot of these men have knowledge about the war, and what they would have to say might have huge ramifications for the entire political process.'
There seems to have arisen in this age of moral uncertainty, and certainly in Hain's eyes, a measure of equivalence between the OTRs (whose responsibility for some of the most obscene crimes of recent decades in Western Europe is generally well-established) and members of the Police and Army who have merely been accused of crime, usually by those members of the terrorist gangs they pursued, and he intends to concrete that equivalence by treating them all to the same lack of natural justice.

That's NuLab's principle for you.

(...and incidentally, SB aren't the only people still in possession of potentially embarrassing items of information, not by a long chalk. Hain should, perhaps, think a little longer.)
 
#2
I wouldn't be surprised if any hypothetical efforts made to sanitise any member of the Government's record, for example - and not by any means implying that he or she might have had one, you understand - had been unsuccessful and that someone, somewhere, had a certified true copy tucked away.
 
#3
Wonder if this is further 'encouragement' to get Gerry to sign up for the policing board.Over the past few years nothing happening here supprises me anymore.
 
#4
I think it certainly would not be in the public interest to fund and carry out apprehension and prosecution of PIRA fugitives. However it would very much be in the human race's interest for somebody from Box to quietly have them put to sleep...As for costs, of course two of the easiest to find are standing up in the Norn Eyrish Assembly...quick look at the day's order paper and bingo two nicked!
 
#5
...and possibly some public scrutiny of surveillance tapes and film under the 30-year rule. I live for the day, but know that political expediency will rule.
 
#6
Whiskybreath said:
From the Guardian:

Prosecutions of IRA fugitives and members of the security forces accused of collusion are to be dropped in the 'public interest', it was claimed last night.

The UK's Director of Public Prosecutions and the Attorney General are to be asked to shelve cases against on-the-run republicans as part of a final deal between Sinn Fein and Downing Street.

The government is also asking that no charges be brought against policemen and soldiers accused of colluding with loyalists. These include those named in files sent to the DPP by Sir John Stevens as part of his inquiry into the murder of lawyer Pat Finucane in 1989.

The SDLP justice spokesman, Alex Attwood, said the party had information that the fugitives will be able to return to Northern Ireland soon. 'I'm confident that the British government will use the same ploy they used in the Saudi arms controversy. It will not be in the public interest either to prosecute the on-the-runs or those named in the Stevens file, which was handed to the DPP three years and eight months ago.'
Irish government sources pointed out there have been several agreements involving Tony Blair's administration and Sinn Fein in the build-up to devolution restoration day on 26 March.

Peter Hain, the Northern Ireland Secretary, has admitted that the government will no longer use parliamentary legislation to grant the on-the-runs amnesties. In 2005 a government bill dealing with the issue was sabotaged by an alliance of Tories, Liberal Democrats, unionists and a number of backbench Labour MPs.

Meanwhile, several senior retired RUC officers are considering their next move following devastating criticism of the now defunct force's Special Branch in the report by the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland, Nuala O'Loan, on the killing of Raymond McCord by the Ulster Volunteer Force in 1997.

A senior ex-RUC officer made clear that, if there was another 'Operation Ballast' - the codename for the ombudsman's latest investigation - some officers would consider 'outing' a number of informers, including several leading republicans. A number of them refused to co-operate with her inquiry team because they claim the ombudsman's' office didn't make clear whether they were being questioned as part of a criminal investigation or a public inquiry.

'Another similar inquiry would push people to the edge,' said the officer, who has had more than 25 years in counter-terrorism operations. 'A lot of these men have knowledge about the war, and what they would have to say might have huge ramifications for the entire political process.'
There seems to have arisen in this age of moral uncertainty, and certainly in Hain's eyes, a measure of equivalence between the OTRs (whose responsibility for some of the most obscene crimes of recent decades in Western Europe is generally well-established) and members of the Police and Army who have merely been accused of crime, usually by those members of the terrorist gangs they pursued, and he intends to concrete that equivalence by treating them all to the same lack of natural justice.

That's NuLab's principle for you.

(...and incidentally, SB aren't the only people still in possession of potentially embarrassing items of information, not by a long chalk. Hain should, perhaps, think a little longer.)
Hain should certainly think a LOT longer. If some of the above got into the Public Domain there would be much blushing and fart1ng.

I forget who made the TV series 20 odd years ago (Robert SNU ANK?) on the History of Ireland. He described being a tout as one of the oldest of Irish traditions.

I'm with Cuddles on this one - an RTA or two, some of the worst cases of suicide seen etc. :threaten:

Oh and Hain is cnut!
 
#7
Nice little article in the Times today alleging that McGuinness lied under oath in the Bloody Sunday enquiry. No shit Sherlock !!

The whole Ulster business has alot of hidden truths that might just slip out if this witchunt continues against those who stood on the side of law and order.

But of course law and order is not something that New Labour have much regard for. We have heard alot of allegations about collusion between Police/Army and loyalists to murder Catholics.

There are many interesting cases conveniently not making the headlines which could indeed suggest that the real story behind collusion is a little more 'interesting' than some in Sinn Fein would like to admit.

The whole lot of them are rotten to the core.
 
#8
Interestingly, reading the Telegraph today, there was an article about "Gangs in new Britain", concerning some North London scumball. Astonishingly, almost everything said about said scumball - named Adams - could truthfully be applied to another Adams of great infamy and dishonour in Northern Ireland.

"No one is untouchable," said David Cook, head of the Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca). "No one is beyond the law or too hard for us to take on."

Yeah.
 
#9
DutyCrow said:
Nice little article in the Times today alleging that McGuinness lied under oath in the Bloody Sunday enquiry. No s*** Sherlock !!

The whole Ulster business has alot of hidden truths that might just slip out if this witchunt continues against those who stood on the side of law and order.

But of course law and order is not something that New Labour have much regard for. We have heard alot of allegations about collusion between Police/Army and loyalists to murder Catholics.

There are many interesting cases conveniently not making the headlines which could indeed suggest that the real story behind collusion is a little more 'interesting' than some in Sinn Fein would like to admit.

The whole lot of them are rotten to the core.
Can't find it - any chance of a link DC
 
#10
Whiskybreath said:
From the Guardian:

Prosecutions of IRA fugitives and members of the security forces accused of collusion are to be dropped in the 'public interest', it was claimed last night.


I suppose letting all the murderers out of gaol early was acting in the public interest.
 
#11
Sven said:
DutyCrow said:
Nice little article in the Times today alleging that McGuinness lied under oath in the Bloody Sunday enquiry. No s*** Sherlock !!

The whole Ulster business has alot of hidden truths that might just slip out if this witchunt continues against those who stood on the side of law and order.

But of course law and order is not something that New Labour have much regard for. We have heard alot of allegations about collusion between Police/Army and loyalists to murder Catholics.

There are many interesting cases conveniently not making the headlines which could indeed suggest that the real story behind collusion is a little more 'interesting' than some in Sinn Fein would like to admit.

The whole lot of them are rotten to the core.
Can't find it - any chance of a link DC
Sven, I got it from the frontpage of todays edition plus page 5. I cannot find it on the online version.
 
#13
Against public interest? I'm public- I'm more than interested in seeing the murdering scum strung up too, does that count?
 
#14
Well yes all totally understandable in the new warm and fuzzy Britain of Bliar really. Olive branches, burying hatchets and all that. Just a pity it looks more like a massive daisychain than anything else.
 
#15
Take a leaf out of MOSSAD, no lines, no borders and no time limit! get the bastards :frustrated:
 
#16
Hain is trying to garner 'brownie points' again.As this posting makes clear,apart from ex RUC people,there are others,who know well,the real details of some senior touts.That information could easily slip out,if things carry on as they are,IMHO

Whiskybreath said:
From the Guardian:

Prosecutions of IRA fugitives and members of the security forces accused of collusion are to be dropped in the 'public interest', it was claimed last night.

The UK's Director of Public Prosecutions and the Attorney General are to be asked to shelve cases against on-the-run republicans as part of a final deal between Sinn Fein and Downing Street.

The government is also asking that no charges be brought against policemen and soldiers accused of colluding with loyalists. These include those named in files sent to the DPP by Sir John Stevens as part of his inquiry into the murder of lawyer Pat Finucane in 1989.

The SDLP justice spokesman, Alex Attwood, said the party had information that the fugitives will be able to return to Northern Ireland soon. 'I'm confident that the British government will use the same ploy they used in the Saudi arms controversy. It will not be in the public interest either to prosecute the on-the-runs or those named in the Stevens file, which was handed to the DPP three years and eight months ago.'
Irish government sources pointed out there have been several agreements involving Tony Blair's administration and Sinn Fein in the build-up to devolution restoration day on 26 March.

Peter Hain, the Northern Ireland Secretary, has admitted that the government will no longer use parliamentary legislation to grant the on-the-runs amnesties. In 2005 a government bill dealing with the issue was sabotaged by an alliance of Tories, Liberal Democrats, unionists and a number of backbench Labour MPs.

Meanwhile, several senior retired RUC officers are considering their next move following devastating criticism of the now defunct force's Special Branch in the report by the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland, Nuala O'Loan, on the killing of Raymond McCord by the Ulster Volunteer Force in 1997.

A senior ex-RUC officer made clear that, if there was another 'Operation Ballast' - the codename for the ombudsman's latest investigation - some officers would consider 'outing' a number of informers, including several leading republicans. A number of them refused to co-operate with her inquiry team because they claim the ombudsman's' office didn't make clear whether they were being questioned as part of a criminal investigation or a public inquiry.

'Another similar inquiry would push people to the edge,' said the officer, who has had more than 25 years in counter-terrorism operations. 'A lot of these men have knowledge about the war, and what they would have to say might have huge ramifications for the entire political process.'
There seems to have arisen in this age of moral uncertainty, and certainly in Hain's eyes, a measure of equivalence between the OTRs (whose responsibility for some of the most obscene crimes of recent decades in Western Europe is generally well-established) and members of the Police and Army who have merely been accused of crime, usually by those members of the terrorist gangs they pursued, and he intends to concrete that equivalence by treating them all to the same lack of natural justice.

That's NuLab's principle for you.

(...and incidentally, SB aren't the only people still in possession of potentially embarrassing items of information, not by a long chalk. Hain should, perhaps, think a little longer.)
 

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