Proposed new tax: Over 40's to pay more for Social Care

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
Do you know who Bob Crow was? He wasnt a politician.

If he wasnt entitled he wouldnt have been living in one would he? Whats that got to do with a socialist on a 6 figure sum living in a council house?

Or are we back to wondering where all the tax money goes?

Bob Crowe (Sp) was an elected union official.

I'd say entitlement has everything to do with occupancy, especially in the historical context you propose.

If you're ever in a position to earn a six figure salary you can make your own decisions about it (based on entitlement of course).
 
Where did I say the fat **** evaded any taxes?

I did live in military accommodation, I can assure you if I was trousering a six figure sum, I would not have been.

Those that do trouser six figure sums, ie Brigadiers and above, many of them do live in military housing, and very nice too, some of it.
 
Those that do trouser six figure sums, ie Brigadiers and above, many of them do live in military housing, and very nice too, some of it.

In their defence that is part of the package that comes with the job.
They also arent socialist.
 
Bob Crowe (Sp) was an elected union official.

I'd say entitlement has everything to do with occupancy, especially in the historical context you propose.

If you're ever in a position to earn a six figure salary you can make your own decisions about it (based on entitlement of course).

Why were you going on about constituents?

Id say entitlement is a main reason why the UK needs to raise taxes. If you can justify someone earning a six figure sum needing a council house then you know why more taxes are needed.

I take home around 45 to 50k, I rent privately.
 

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
Why were you going on about constituents?

Id say entitlement is a main reason why the UK needs to raise taxes. If you can justify someone earning a six figure sum needing a council house then you know why more taxes are needed.

I take home around 45 to 50k, I rent privately.

He was an elected representative.

I haven't tried to justify it. In fact, when you asked me if I agreed with it I said no.

I don't care about your income or your domestic arrangements.
 
He was an elected representative.

I haven't tried to justify it. In fact, when you asked me if I agreed with it I said no.

I don't care about your income or your domestic arrangements.

Elected by his union, not the public. I can be elected as part of my federation, it doesnt mean I have constituents or that Id be entitled to a council house.

You are justifying it, you said he was entitled.

You also said if I ever earned a six figure sum I could judge for myself, I earned less than that and still think I wouldnt ever live in a council house.
 

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
Elected by his union, not the public. I can be elected as part of my federation, it doesnt mean I have constituents or that Id be entitled to a council house.

You are justifying it, you said he was entitled.

You also said if I ever earned a six figure sum I could judge for myself, I earned less than that and still think I wouldnt ever live in a council house.

constituent
/kənˈstɪtjʊənt/
"being a voting member of an organization and having the power to appoint or elect"

Statement of presumed fact, which I invited you to refute.

Still don't give a fcuk.

Boring, argumentative cnut.
 
constituent
/kənˈstɪtjʊənt/
"being a voting member of an organization and having the power to appoint or elect"

Statement of presumed fact, which I invited you to refute.

Still don't give a fcuk.

Boring, argumentative cnut.

Of course you dont give a ****, because you waffle on about taxes and at the same time Bob crows entitlement to a council house.
 

BigMac

Old-Salt
The biggest logical fallacy I see in this plan is that taxes taken for social care today are paying for those receiving the money NOW. Extra taxes paid by the over 40s won't go into a little savings pot that they can access when they need it - Their social care will be funded by the taxpayers at that time. The taxes I paid this month went into the pot to pay for some old coffin dodger today, not for me.

As their taxes will not be paying for their own care, why only tax the over 40s?
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
Book Reviewer
I assume any councilors in London Boroughs that do live in council houses are entitled to, for the reasons I alluded to earlier. Why not submit an information request under DPA1998 and get the answer you seek?

Sub-letting is illegal, and should be reported, investigated and prosecuted properly. I don't know anyone that does it (In fact I only know one family in social housing). If you do - report it.
This lady and her son live in council accommodation.

As does her mother, A Baroness.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
Book Reviewer
Onto ignore you go if you think it's acceptable for people being paid 70,000 pounds plus per year to have council housing, when firefighters, nurses and other people who earn much less are on interminable waiting lists.

A debate on the subject is fine, but a teenage stamping-foot 'so what?' is not debate.
 

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
Onto ignore you go if you think it's acceptable for people being paid 70,000 pounds plus per year to have council housing, when firefighters, nurses and other people who earn much less are on interminable waiting lists.

A debate on the subject is fine, but a teenage stamping-foot 'so what?' is not debate.

I'm assuming that as a claimed 'Grownup_Rafbrat' you've never served? If you had you might recognize the question for what it was. 'So what?' You made an assertion and included a link (I didn't follow it) without actually making your point (Although you did after I posed the question - so it worked).

Feel free to ignore me. I really don't mind either way.
 
Onto ignore you go if you think it's acceptable for people being paid 70,000 pounds plus per year to have council housing, when firefighters, nurses and other people who earn much less are on interminable waiting lists.

Im sure RGJbloke will excuse her on the grounds that she identifies as working class.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
Book Reviewer
The biggest logical fallacy I see in this plan is that taxes taken for social care today are paying for those receiving the money NOW. Extra taxes paid by the over 40s won't go into a little savings pot that they can access when they need it - Their social care will be funded by the taxpayers at that time. The taxes I paid this month went into the pot to pay for some old coffin dodger today, not for me.

As their taxes will not be paying for their own care, why only tax the over 40s?
That is how it was set up initially so they could start paying out at once rather than wait. What they didn't realise was that people would (a) live much, much longer (b) have far fewer children and (c) technology would replace a lot of jobs. This blew a hole in their cunning plan that the working population would always be numerous enough to support the retired, with a bit to spare.


(Mind you, a return to the days when a pension was dependent upon being a good taxpaying citizen all your life would help!)
 
That is how it was set up initially so they could start paying out at once rather than wait. What they didn't realise was that people would (a) live much, much longer (b) have far fewer children and (c) technology would replace a lot of jobs. This blew a hole in their cunning plan that the working population would always be numerous enough to support the retired, with a bit to spare.


(Mind you, a return to the days when a pension was dependent upon being a good taxpaying citizen all your life would help!)

The NI fund was raided long ago for general taxation. Everyone knew but everyone wanted their free stuff so didnt care about the future.

Before covid the UK had close to record numbers in employment.
 

doc80905

War Hero
I'm fed up with being milked.

I don't get any child support.
I don't get legal aid should I need it.
I pay private health insurance because the NHS reacts too slowly.
I seem to be paying out voluntarily to the school now to fund teaching material.



Over 40, earn a decent wage... hey come and get me.
This. No kids, worked since I was 16, 47 now, worked through lockdown (even doing overtime so even more tax). Not missed a single shift through sickness in 31 years. 500 odd quid in road tax for a car I do about 1200 miles a year in, yet a Prious driver can do a million miles and pay nothing. Private dentist which is just as well since the NHS have removed all their services bar extractions, of which I have had none I might add. Haven't had to see a GP sine I had tonsillitis at 15, get medicals at work all the time due to the fact I work at heights etc, everything spot on, weight, blood pressure, eyesight, lung function.

It's a bizarre policy to float in an increasingly bizarre government. Take the one mooted yesterday (and I am absolutely convinced this government uses the daily mail to float ideas to see the comments section) which was to ban all vans and trucks from city centres. Boris wants them all to go to distribution centres out of town and everything (everything!) is delivered to city centres on bicycles. My work dispatched a steel plate last week that had to go through Glasgow city centre. 18 metres long, 80mm thick on one of those extendable trailers. A cool 21 tonnes. Good luck towing that on a bicycle.

I often wonder these days, and I am still a Conservative party member, is this government a load of undercover socialists trying to make the Conservative party as unpopular as possible...

As for Hancock, I can only imagine he's still in a job because he's being lined up to take the hit when the inevitable corona inquiry takes place. A thin skinned, remainer bufoon. And this is a Conservative calling him that. Oh and more tax to pay for the lockdown? How about getting those who have been enjoying a months long tax payer funded holiday chipping in a bit more rather than punishing those of us who have continued to work?
 

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
I often wonder these days, and I am still a Conservative party member, is this government a load of undercover socialists trying to make the Conservative party as unpopular as possible...

You voted for these idiots, and here you are, still trying to blame 'socialists'.

The first step in tackling your problem is admitting you have a problem.
 

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