Proposed new tax: Over 40's to pay more for Social Care

Absolutely pointless!

Thats right, realise how stupid you look defending an ******** taking up space on the council housing stock when other people who are more in need could have had it.
 
20% of it goes on VAT (in most cases). It creates jobs (Leading to more income tax and less welfare).
Its just a different way of the money circulating.

There is also 20% on top of the quoted alcohol and tobacco amounts. Tobacco and drink also create jobs.

I suppose it comes down to a political viewpoint; I would rather people were able to spend their money as they please. So even if I accepted that it's all just different ways of the same money circulating, I would still choose the way where people have more say over how it circulates.

But I suspect that it's not all the same how it circulates. If it was all the same, why would there be taxes at all?

The (original) point about amounts raised by the sin taxes was simply pointing out/agreeing with the fact that when the cry is raised about smokers and boozers "paying" for their "sin", the reality is that they already do, to excess. They effectively subsidise the "non-sinners".
 
Incidentally, Crowe regarded living in a Council house as being a part of his working class roots. He didn’t do it for the cheap rent.

Rubbish. He didn’t turn his nose up at upper class money did he?

Typical champagne socialist.
 

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
I know you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but 2014 wasnt the 1980s, the fat greedy **** was well aware that other people in genuine need could have had his council house, naturally his socialist principles went out the window when he had the option of saving a few quid.
**** the poor, so long as he was ok.

Did you become obnoxious because of your less than stellar career in the RLC? Or did you journey through your less than stellar career in the RLC because you are obnoxious?
 
Rubbish. He didn’t turn his nose up at upper class money did he?

Typical champagne socialist.

There wasn’t anything champagne about Bob Crowe. He was actually a very down to earth bloke.

A typical response from a Tory wannabe though. A working class lad shouldn’t be at the top of his industry and he shouldn’t be earning good money.

All that stuff is for toffs eh!
 
just spoke of this thread to Doris , her answer," Why TF should we pay more tax for this , the ******* who have never worked a day in their ******* lives will still get it free, and we who have worked all our days will foot the ******* bill again!"

that took me aback a bit as she doesn't often give such vehement opinions
 

Nornironman

Old-Salt
I'm fed up with being milked.

I don't get any child support.
I don't get legal aid should I need it.
I pay private health insurance because the NHS reacts too slowly.
I seem to be paying out voluntarily to the school now to fund teaching material.



Over 40, earn a decent wage... hey come and get me.
 
Did you become obnoxious because of your less than stellar career in the RLC? Or did you journey through your less than stellar career in the RLC because you are obnoxious?

Do you think its right that someone earning a six figure sum should get council housing because they are a socialist?
 
There wasn’t anything champagne about Bob Crowe. He was actually a very down to earth bloke.

A typical response from a Tory wannabe though. A working class lad shouldn’t be at the top of his industry and he shouldn’t be earning good money.

All that stuff is for toffs eh!

Toffs probably would have bought their own houses.
 

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
Do you think its right that someone earning a six figure sum should get council housing because they are a socialist?

No. Do you think it's worth laboring the point endlessly, considering the man has been dead for 6 years and the criteria for social housing has changed radically?
 
Incidentally, Crowe regarded living in a Council house as being a part of his working class roots. He didn’t do it for the cheap rent.

It's that kind of nobility and self-sacrifice that truly brings a tear to the eye. (And when I say "brings a tear to the eye" I mean "brings the vomit to the mouth".)

There wasn’t anything champagne about Bob Crowe. He was actually a very down to earth bloke.

Not so down to earth that when he started earning the big bucks he said "that's it, I don't need the council housing anymore, I can get out and have it go to someone more deserving".

There do seem to have been limits to his earthiness. Limits that were quite ... self-serving, shall we say? Convenient?

A typical response from a Tory wannabe though. A working class lad shouldn’t be at the top of his industry and he shouldn’t be earning good money.

Possibly not so much that he shouldn't be earning the good money: just that when he does start earning the good money he acknowledge that he no longer requires the assistance that he was getting when he was just starting out, and that he get out of the way so that somebody else in need can then in turn benefit?
 
There is also 20% on top of the quoted alcohol and tobacco amounts. Tobacco and drink also create jobs.

I suppose it comes down to a political viewpoint; I would rather people were able to spend their money as they please. So even if I accepted that it's all just different ways of the same money circulating, I would still choose the way where people have more say over how it circulates.

But I suspect that it's not all the same how it circulates. If it was all the same, why would there be taxes at all?

The (original) point about amounts raised by the sin taxes was simply pointing out/agreeing with the fact that when the cry is raised about smokers and boozers "paying" for their "sin", the reality is that they already do, to excess. They effectively subsidise the "non-sinners".

Taxes on alcohol and fags could be looked at as payback for the health and crime related to them.
Its also an easy tax to collect because lots of people drink/smoke but no one has to.

I didnt comment on it being a sin tax, just that the money spent on fags and booze wouldnt disappear if everyone stopped smoking and drinking, it would just go elsewhere in the economy.
 
No. Do you think it's worth laboring the point endlessly, considering the man has been dead for 6 years and the criteria for social housing has changed radically?

I was talking to RGJbloke who defends the fat greedy **** on the basis he was a socialist.
RGJbloke thinks companies should pay more taxes but his little socialist heroes shouldnt have to pay their way.
 

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
I was talking to RGJbloke who defends the fat greedy **** on the basis he was a socialist.
RGJbloke thinks companies should pay more taxes but his little socialist heroes shouldnt have to pay their way.

Are you suggesting that Bob Crowe evaded taxes?

Didn't you also live in publically subsidised accommodation during your military service?
 
Are you suggesting that Bob Crowe evaded taxes?

Didn't you also live in publically subsidised accommodation during your military service?

Where did I say the fat **** evaded any taxes?

I did live in military accommodation, I can assure you if I was trousering a six figure sum, I would not have been.
 
Are you suggesting that Bob Crowe evaded taxes?

Didn't you also live in publically subsidised accommodation during your military service?
I don't think that was the point being made, and living in the block can hardly be compared to living in a council house when earning a long way above the national average wage.
 
I don't think that was the point being made, and living in the block can hardly be compared to living in a council house when earning a long way above the national average wage.

He was working class though.
Except for holidays obviously.
“Would it be better if I went on holiday in a caravan to make myself look more working class? Because you know what they’d say if I did? They’d say, ‘He’s tight. He’s got all that money and he holidays in a caravan’.
 

Sgt_Steiner

War Hero
Where did I say the fat **** evaded any taxes?

I did live in military accommodation, I can assure you if I was trousering a six figure sum, I would not have been.

Well, allowing for the capitalist model that each man is paid his worth, clearly Bob Crowe presented greater value to his constituents than you did. Presumably he was entitled to a council house - do you have any evidence to refute that?
 
Well, allowing for the capitalist model that each man is paid his worth, clearly Bob Crowe presented greater value to his constituents than you did. Presumably he was entitled to a council house - do you have any evidence to refute that?

Do you know who Bob Crow was? He wasnt a politician.

If he wasnt entitled he wouldnt have been living in one would he? Whats that got to do with a socialist on a 6 figure sum living in a council house?

Or are we back to wondering where all the tax money goes?
 
There wasn’t anything champagne about Bob Crowe. He was actually a very down to earth bloke.

All that stuff is for toffs eh!

Try as you might you can’t hide the fact the bloke was on a fortune + perks for Not doing very much at all, yet duped people into thinking he’s working class and ‘one of the people’.

It’s clear you are easily taken in.

A typical response from a Tory wannabe though. A working class lad shouldn’t be at the top of his industry and he shouldn’t be earning good money.

That’s a very stupid comment consider a Tory ideal is work hard, receive the rewards. I respect and applaud those that do, but conning people is not on.

Find me a Tory on quarter of a million a year occupying a council house needed by someone very much less well off.
 

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